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Gianzzurri99
Joined: 13.02.2019

Hi, recently played a hand on Ignition 5NL at a regular cash table.
Playing 8 handed, started with $10.07 on the Button with 8♦:7♦:, the main villain in the hand has $6.86 and is UTG.
UTG, UTG+1 and Co all limp for 0.05, I decide against isolating as I expect too many calls and would prefer to see what I can flop on the cheap in position.
The BB checks and we go 5 ways to the flop.

FLOP: ($0.27)
7♣:5♦:5♣:

It checks to me and I decide to bet 0.15 to charge draws and narrow the field. BB folds, UTG decides to check raise to 0.51, all players fold to me and I call.
The opponent has been fairly active but not too crazy, I expect him to raise with a 5, some 7x with good kickers and flush or straight draws.

TURN: ($1.28)
7♣:5♦:5♣:T♠:
Villain continues for 0.74 and I call. At this point I feel my opponent cannot have a 7 that often as they would be scared of the turn overcard, and either has a 5, 7s full(really unlikely) or a draw.

RIVER: ($2.76)
7♣:5♦:5♣:T♠:J♥:
Villain fires again for 1.74 and I call with some hesitation even though all the draws missed. I feel like he gets here with too many missed clubs or weird straight draws. I ended up winning the hand, opponent showed 6♦:4♦:, but I just want to see whether this call down was justified?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi Gianzzurri99
Welcome to PokerStrategy.com! :welcome:

Disclaimer: I am NOT a coach!;

I'm also not a hold'em player primarily.
OTF you have top pair, but no kicker and no re-draws.

If this was my hand, I would throw it away and wait for a hand where I had the nuts, or was at least drawing to something close to the nuts.

I'm curious to see what others think, though...

All the best,
VS


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

It's smart to read our https://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=267242 with all the info you need to post a hand the right way. Normal a villain would only raise with better on the flop multi way and I would bet/fold always or you have sick reads on him he can do it with a draw, but that would be a really bad move of him if he would do that against so many players.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Gianzzurri99
Joined: 13.02.2019

Thanks for the reply Vorpal, does the backdoor diamond flush and straight draw justify at least calling the flop check/raise?


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pokerboy198229
Joined: 20.08.2011

Originally posted by Gianzzurri99
Thanks for the reply Vorpal, does the backdoor diamond flush and straight draw justify at least calling the flop check/raise?

Kind of, but in the long run you lose, and in the low limits try to avoid the high variance game


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

You have to call OTF. It's if you bet/fold even this combo that you lose on the long term lol.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Gianzzurri99
Thanks for the reply Vorpal, does the backdoor diamond flush and straight draw justify at least calling the flop check/raise?

not for me -- you have low card values, so your backdoor flush is rarely the winning flush if two players have the same idea.

What is more important is that the board is paired, and you have two outs to a full house.

A couple of "Rules of thumb" apply here:
:diamond:  Never go broke in a limped pot
:diamond:  Don't bluff multi-way

MyFloXyBabY thinks that having bet the flop, you need to call the x/r -- perhaps, but if you do call the x/r you need to call this down -- and you do. I think calling the x/r and folding later then you lose even more long term.

nobody has mentioned checking back the flop yet, and taking a stab OTT

hmmmm...
VS


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

you don't need to call it down. sometimes you pick up a draw on the turn, sometimes they give up, sometimes you bink a 7 and all that adds to the EV of the hand.
that said, folding flop seems completely fine without info. by no means we need to defend "balanced" against a recreational's check/raise multiway.


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MyFloXyBabY
Joined: 15.02.2010

It's not about balancing, it's about everything else you said. (As if "balancing" could be a "need" somewhere anyway lol. If you mean respecting the minimum defense frequency that's not really the point, the combo is too much playable and has too many implieds is all.)
Bet/call OTF and give up on that turn.

And I would have isoraised pre by the way. But I'm quite clueless about FR nowadays, maybe that's optimistic ?


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sdf256
Joined: 21.07.2016

Agree with Floxy, call OTF and give up on this turn.


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