KK 3b vs donk river

GingerKid

Joined: 05.08.2007

31.01.2015, 13:05 0

partypoker - $0.04 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 191 BB (VPIP: 24.47, PFR: 12.52, 3Bet Preflop: 1.11, Hands: 1,106)
SB: 91.5 BB (VPIP: 40.92, PFR: 7.88, 3Bet Preflop: 1.46, Hands: 378)
Hero (BB): 245 BB
UTG: 129.75 BB (VPIP: 19.44, PFR: 17.23, 3Bet Preflop: 7.34, Hands: 548)
MP: 107 BB (VPIP: 45.83, PFR: 11.81, 3Bet Preflop: 1.79, Hands: 147)
CO: 86.5 BB (VPIP: 28.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K♥ K♣

fold, fold, fold, fold, SB raises to 2 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, SB calls 6 BB

Flop: (16 BB, 2 players) 7♦ 8♣ 3♠
SB checks, Hero bets 8 BB, SB calls 8 BB

Turn: (32 BB, 2 players) 7♣
SB checks, Hero bets 20 BB, SB calls 20 BB

River: (72 BB, 2 players) 5♠
SB bets 55.5 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 55.5 BB

Spoiler

SB shows 5♣ 5♦ (Full House, Fives full of Sevens)
(Pre 20%, Flop 12%, Turn 5%)
Hero shows K♥ K♣ (Two Pair, Kings and Sevens)
(Pre 80%, Flop 88%, Turn 95%)
SB wins 174 BB

river fold? it definetely looks strong, there are some busted draws, but imo he can donk worse for value like overpairs?

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metza

Joined: 28.01.2012

Posts: 2,216

31.01.2015, 13:56 0

I think there is a definite sizing problem here. This guy is obviously a fish and you're missing a lot of value preflop and by 1/2 potting on flop.

Let's make it 10bb preflop. 40/7 don't raise often, and likes to see flops. He has decent hand, you are getting called basically always here.

Probably he isn't folding AQ etc to 1 bet so I'd go big on the flop.

Turn card is not great but I probably still value bet on the larger side still (and fold to turn raise)

River I am going "goddamn fish with 7x!" and sigh folding all day. Paid off way too many river donk jams from fish in the past.

Yeah all manner of oesd and gutters bricked but he's 40/7. Can extrapolate postflop tendencies will be similar, and he prefers to play passive. Some fish will bluff jam in these spots, but not many, and super unlikely from this guy,

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Mon3yMaChin3

Joined: 15.03.2011

Posts: 287

31.01.2015, 16:53 0

@metza you are really good man.+1

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GingerKid Topic starter

Joined: 05.08.2007

Posts: 4,913

31.01.2015, 20:36 0

Let's make it 10bb preflop. 40/7 don't raise often, and likes to see flops. He has decent hand, you are getting called basically always here.

What if he doesnt have a decent hand? do we in that case lose a tone of value, if he is going to fold hands as KQ, AJ, 22, 33 and similar when we bet big?
If the board is high, or at least draw heavy, then I agree about betting big, since he will have so many hands that call anyway vs big bet, but on low, dry board he has > 80% hands that are very weak.

Similar goes for preflop, If I 3bet 8bb, I can anyway get it in vs him by the river, and if I 3bet bigger, is he going to call 3bet as wide as 8bb, so do I loose value? Why not shove preflop, or lets ignore preflop, why not shove flop?

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