KK, deep stacked, big pot, totally unsure what to do

He's very keen to get his chips in pre-flop, as you could have noticed pot on the flop piled to 20$ and left you both commited, you wouldn't be able to avoid AA whatsoever in this situation.

Yea I think in 5bet pots our ranges are pretty much QQ+,AK. Given that villain check called OTF I would say he most likely maybe has AK, or then slowplayed AA.
OTT it is difficult to pick a good sizing. I think shove is not bad. AdKd might still find a call and QQ has a gutshot.

Wp

OK, thanks.

What about 6betting pre. Would this have been a better option? Like i said i was a bit scared of AA. With smaller stacks im happy to get my money in with KK pre everytime..

I would shove preflop to his 5bet. But I don´t usually play with more than 200BB, so maybe when you are deep it´s different. As played, I like it as well.

After villains 5bet we still have around 120bb left. I think if we shove there we are only against AA or KK. If we shove there our range is mostly KK+ and villain knows this so he should be able to fold QQ and AK.

Usually, the debate is whether to go broke pre 120-150 bb deep with KK. I'd say going broke 200 bb+ is clearly wrong, so I like just calling. We have like 220 bb left to go here (not 120), unless my math is off.

What to do turn and beyond is not crystal clear to me. But I just don't agree we are totally committed, at least it isn't obvious. We have a PSB left, but that PSB is 200 bb against a pretty strong range on an awful board. This hand deserves some attention imo from the coaches. Perhaps OP could post in the "advanced section"?

Yes we have 220bb left, small typo from me

Originally posted by la55i
Yes we have 220bb left, small typo from me

Yes, and some poor sod read it and just lost a huge pot because of you. (Kidding:D)

What do you say about turn and beyond? You wrote that above, but is it obvious what to do? I think this is difficult as hell.

wow... sick hand. IMHO fold OTT is fine, he has a strong range and board is far to be good for us. Do you have any info of the villain?

Yes that is quite tricky indeed. I guess his 5 betting range is very strong. OTF he can be checking even AA sometimes, but still when he checks I think betting is not bad since it should fold out a lot of AK hands.

But when he calls that flop cbet I must admit that I'm lost. Maybe he would have stacked off with AA OTF. Maybe he called flop with AdKd or QQ. Still I'm just guessing and I'm not sure if we should shove when we might be ahead some % of the time. On the other hand folding this on the river would be difficult.

We could check behind but then we would give him a free card. I'm not sure if that matters since I see only one FD combo (AdKd).
Maybe we could underbet and hope he continues with FD or QQ. But if he has that FD and he calls an underbet we will lose the hand when he hits and when he doesn't hit he will not give us any more money. So can we maximize our value by shoving?

I think all of those lines could be ok but I have no clue which one is the best. I like shoving since it is easy to play. Just click a button and pray

Oh yes, the praying is a big part whichever button we press