NL2 200 bbs deep: rivering T2P and getting c-raised. Ugh!

Hey Briccius

I'm currently half potting turns when I have led flops, I don't know good or bad, but addressing my own weaknesses in getting too deep with TPWK and failing to continue on the turn, I do this also with my draws ,bluffs, 2ndpair etc.. It usually generates more folds than I expect. When they call the turn, we expect they have a reason. River improves us. You got your first 100bb in flopped dead. 2nd 100BB when check raised on the river ?

Disclaimer, GoOnCal1 is not qualified nor authorised to give advice, and is on generic meds.

what do you think villains range is when he opens 6.5x preflop? is this common at NL2?

Preflop, 3bet or fold. Never a good idea to flat KQo CO vs MP in most cases unless you have a plan postflop, i.e. to exploit certain postflop leaks.

As played, river is bet/fold. People rarely would bluff on these boards, especially on microstakes. People are not so creative down there.

I also wanted to write that KQo is a clear 3 bet bluff from these positions. The only thing that bothers me is the huge (6.5BB) opening. If the hand is from deep tables- villains tend to open more than 3BB. If the hand isfrom normal tables, it is a sign forpremium hand.
As played, you have to bet river and foldvs aggression.

I would just fold preflop to this sizing. Vs normal sizing, KQo is a 3bet bluff hand.

ok guys, about the sizing, for the 100th time: It is a deep table, that´s why I put "deep" in the header. But nobody ever seems to notice, so I will write "deep table (250 bbs) with antes" next time I post a hand. On these tables, most players have a 250 bb stack, there is an ante of 1 sb, and therefore the raise size is completely normal and does not indicate a premium hand. God, I wish everybody read that. I might go back to the 100 bb tables for the sake of evading the neverendig "do you always raise 6 bbs" questions alone.

as for the hand: I know the river call is terrible. I do not agree I have to 3 bet pre everytime necessarily, I sometimes do.

@GoOnCal1: do you think it is not possible to beat NL 2 witout stats?

Originally posted by briccius
ok guys, about the sizing, for the 100th time: It is a deep table, that´s why I put "deep" in the header. But nobody ever seems to notice, so I will write "deep table (250 bbs) with antes" next time I post a hand. On these tables, most players have a 250 bb stack, there is an ante of 1 sb, and therefore the raise size is completely normal and does not indicate a premium hand. God, I wish everybody read that. I might go back to the 100 bb tables for the sake of evading the neverendig "do you always raise 6 bbs" questions alone.

Ok, but why don't you sit out when that deep and return with the normal stack?

lol

Originally posted by briccius
@GoOnCal1: do you think it is not possible to beat NL 2 witout stats?

If I ask you what is your profit/H from button 2NL vs 2NL deep can you answer without stats?

Has your win rate changed after making adjustments to your game over the last 20,000 hands?
What part of your game has improved? What is your W$SD % ? What % of my Room balance has been earned from SNG's vs Cash What % of my opponents are profitable?

How can we answer these questions without information?

Originally posted by briccius
as for the hand: I know the river call is terrible. I do not agree I have to 3 bet pre everytime necessarily, I sometimes do.

How you make a decision to 3 bet?

It depends on villain´s position and info I have on him and on my position. In general, apart from the premiums, I mostly 3bet hands with blockers (like KQ, AJ, AT, suited baby A). I rarely 3bet scs or small pairs. I prefer to 3bet AQ when I am oop, as opposed to flatting. When I want to isolate a fishy player whom I expect to make big mistakes post, I will widen my 3betting range considerably. As I do not use a HUD, I do not know if I 3bet enough or too little or too much. I should probably work on 3betting ranges and preflop play in general. I would guess I probably do not 3bet enough on the BU.

If you can recommend good strategy articles or vids concernig this topic, I´d be grateful.

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by briccius
as for the hand: I know the river call is terrible. I do not agree I have to 3 bet pre everytime necessarily, I sometimes do.

How you make a decision to 3 bet?

Originally posted by briccius
It depends on villain´s position and info I have on him and on my position. In general, apart from the premiums, I mostly 3bet hands with blockers (like KQ, AJ, AT, suited baby A). I rarely 3bet scs or small pairs. I prefer to 3bet AQ when I am oop, as opposed to flatting. When I want to isolate a fishy player whom I expect to make big mistakes post, I will widen my 3betting range considerably. As I do not use a HUD, I do not know if I 3bet enough or too little or too much. I should probably work on 3betting ranges and preflop play in general. I would guess I probably do not 3bet enough on the BU.

If you can recommend good strategy articles or vids concernig this topic, I´d be grateful.

What info? Notes maybe? You have to make standard ranges that you will play vs unknowns.You will expand theseranges or shrink them according to the info/stats that you have on villain ( especially when you start using HEM).

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