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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Known Players:
MP3: $4,89 - 122 bb
CO: $5,13 - 128 bb
BU: $4,41 - 110 bb
SB: $0,21 - 5 bb
BB: $4,46 - 112 bb

0.02/0.04 No Limit Hold'em (5 Handed)
Hand recorder for this hand: PokerStrategy.com SideKick 2.1.30121.1

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9♦, 8♦
SB posts small blind ($0,02), Hero posts big blind ($0,04), 2 folds, BU raises for $0,10, SB folds, Hero calls

Flop: ($0,22 - 5.50 bb) T♦, 7♦, 6♦ (2 Players)
Hero checks, BU bets $0,14, Hero calls

Turn: ($0,50 - 12.50 bb) 2♥ (2 Players)
Hero checks, BU bets $0,26, Hero calls

River: ($1,02 - 25.50 bb) 3♠ (2 Players)
Hero bets $0,20, BU folds, Hero gets uncalled back ($0,20)

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Hi, I wanted to ask, how to get most value from this after the flop. Villain: 34/26/3bet 7/146 hands
You might say I should 3bet him PF, but when he was stealing from the button last time, he bet smaller, so I figure out, he has something decent. Flop gives us the nuts, but how the hack can we get value now? He is loose aggro, can u give some advice?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

Your line is very value heavy and any reasonable villain will know to fold without a flush OTR.
I think it might be best to check raise OTF. You will do so with value hands like this and you usually have some bluffs here also.
I wouldn't be too worried about him folding. If he can't call your check raise, there is probably not much value to be taken anyway.
The trickiest line I can think of here would be x/r flop, x/c turn and then x/r river.


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Mandator
Joined: 02.02.2008

What about x/c flop & x/r turn. Any A♦:x, K♦:x , sets and two pair can call here and if they hit the river we can extract more value yet leading OTR.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

The problem with that line is that turn check raises are often a lot stronger than flop check raises and when there is only 1 card to come villain doesn't call that as likely. If villain uses baluga theorem or his brain he will fold vs turn raise. And if he calls our turn raise he needs a very good hand to call our bet OTR.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Thanks guys, especially for that comment with balluga theorem, I found out what is it and get a good piece of information, which I think improved my game a lot. I already knew that turn bets are strong but now I understand it in more depth :)


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tiltmonk
Joined: 02.07.2014

I guess it is hard to extract maximum value from this hand most of the time your opponent will have pretty weak hand, but in this case you need to check his wtsd. If it is high, I will XR on the flop. If your opponent do not has Kd or Ad - you won't get all possible value.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I like it as played. Every raise on this flop will make him fold much.


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Lol, I checked out the HH and the first thing I thought when I saw the cards is that here we will see slowplaying and milking:D

Either donk flop or check-raise and keep betting. If he has something, he'll pay, if he has nothing he'll not pay whatever you do. He might raise you with a big pp or the A♦:. A flopped straight with 9♣:8♥: is surely going broke. He'll have a shitload of hands that made two pair (he raised from the button). Again, if he folds to a bet/raise, then there wasn't much to be won anyway.

As played, the 20% river bet is so, so ridiculous. It has an EV of maybe 15c (supposing he calls it 75% of the time). If you instead move AI for $3.50 about and get called 10% of the time, you at least have an EV of about 35c.

As played, this was a standard mistake at the micros. So afraid of not being paid a few crumbs that most value of the nut hand wasn't realized. Well, perhaps you got lucky and won the max this time with this line. On average, you won't. It is different if you flop so that you crush the board, meaning there aren't any hands that can call. This may happen when flopping e.g. a top full house, but note here.


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Mozzek
Joined: 16.07.2016

Originally posted by YohanN7
Lol, I checked out the HH and the first thing I thought when I saw the cards is that here we will see slowplaying and milking:D

Either donk flop or check-raise and keep betting. If he has something, he'll pay, if he has nothing he'll not pay whatever you do. He might raise you with a big pp or the A♦:. A flopped straight with 9♣:8♥: is surely going broke. He'll have a shitload of hands that made two pair (he raised from the button). Again, if he folds to a bet/raise, then there wasn't much to be won anyway.

As played, the 20% river bet is so, so ridiculous. It has an EV of maybe 15c (supposing he calls it 75% of the time). If you instead move AI for $3.50 about and get called 10% of the time, you at least have an EV of about 35c.

As played, this was a standard mistake at the micros. So afraid of not being paid a few crumbs that most value of the nut hand wasn't realized. Well, perhaps you got lucky and won the max this time with this line. On average, you won't. It is different if you flop so that you crush the board, meaning there aren't any hands that can call. This may happen when flopping e.g. a top full house, but note here.

Thanks, will keep it in mind.


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