Quads Value

Played it fine imo

Personally I'd raise on the turn because you can represent a much wider range of hands, then bomb the river.

However, I like the way you played it potentially letting him catch up and it's very close depending on reads/ dynamics. Well played.

Originally posted by Castle93
Personally I'd raise on the turn because you can represent a much wider range of hands, then bomb the river.

However, I like the way you played it potentially letting him catch up and it's very close depending on reads/ dynamics. Well played.

The probably is when you raise on an earlier street you too often see them shutting down on the following street. so I think flop and turn are well played.

Then for the river, if he called $4 there is always the wonder whether he would have called $4.5 and so on. betting half pot for 3 streets often includes a lot of bluffs, semi bluffs and, ok hands (TP kind of hands) meaning he is only so confident with his hand so there is probably so much he would have been paying for it.

What range did you have him on, by the river. I think personally is range ha many QJ+ and against that it is a very capped range and you are not going to extract much more. SO I think in this case $4 or there around is probably optimal you might be able to get a bit more vs AQ (KQ looks pretty too ♦)

His few bluffs will shut down no matter how much you raise
And his monsters will probably 3bet you anyway. (JT or QQ) (if JT got there other than J♥:T♥: )

The only hand that might possibly call you to a shove but could be passive is 56s and again he might find a fold (most players won't be able to though)

However I would mostly put him on Qx and bet a similar amount

Edit: Checked result and boom

I also like the way you've played it. No need to raise the flop or turn because we might easily scare him off some hands that he is villing to bet the turn/river with. Also, we hope that by the river he hits a hand that will be harder to fold. I like the river size, too.

It is beautiful to see that position has such a power.

First, on the flop

....i am just keeping my serious face - then seeing SB donk out ....jackpot! My one and only thought: "JUST DO NOT SCARE ANYONE AWAY, they can't have anything"

Turn:

Please bet again!

River:
he bets again...

...oki, obviously i have to raise?
And you know what? I go allin!
Why?
It is very simple:
You raise to 4$, you win an additional 2,92 if he calls.
You go allin, you win additional 8,96$.

Comparing the two values shows me that the won amount in case Allin is 3x as high. Does villain fold to an allin 3x as often as on the 3$ raise? For sure not! So: allin it is!

It is ok played. I like that you left him bet himself.

Originally posted by SvenBe
It is beautiful to see that position has such a power.

First, on the flop

....i am just keeping my serious face - then seeing SB donk out ....jackpot! My one and only thought: "JUST DO NOT SCARE ANYONE AWAY, they can't have anything"

Turn:

Please bet again!

River:
he bets again...

...oki, obviously i have to raise?
And you know what? I go allin!
Why?
It is very simple:
You raise to 4$, you win an additional 2,92 if he calls.
You go allin, you win additional 8,96$.

Comparing the two values shows me that the won amount in case Allin is 3x as high. Does villain fold to an allin 3x as often as on the 3$ raise? For sure not! So: allin it is!

do you call all in here with QJ+ , I surely don't. and I think, you will get a lot of fold and I think with 3 streets 1/2 pot, that's where most of his range lies, the bluffs will fold any bet and better will raise anyway so I think $4 is a much better sizing than all in.

IMO it's well played, you could raise OTT, but calling is fine. OTR I don't think that shoving is the best, raising to 4$ is very good, he can hero call you with some AQ/KQ, call his JTs and he will shove with all FH's, but if you shove he is going to fold Qx hands, which is the biggest part of his range, and call the same FH's which he would shove anyways, of course the one advantage of shoving is that he might call w straight.

Originally posted by thazar
do you call all in here with QJ+ , I surely don't. and I think, you will get a lot of fold and I think with 3 streets 1/2 pot, that's where most of his range lies, the bluffs will fold any bet and better will raise anyway so I think $4 is a much better sizing than all in.

The point is that a shove doesn't get 3x more folds than a $4 raise, so it's inherently more +EV. SB has barreled three streets and looks pretty strong, I doubt he folds much of his value range too often.

@Thazar:

- bluffs fold anyways - to a raise or to the shove
- assume the range consists of 50% bluffs - these fold no matter what.
- now it depends on the rest of the range, also here we can discount hands that think they are the nuts (most notably the full houses) because they gonna bring it in,too
- so, it is all about hands like (preflop) slowplayed KK & AA, AQ, A8, any other 8x, and of course all other one pair combos that might call or not.

I think this is very opponent specific but my gut feeling says that a raise is not getting called 3x as often as a push, hence my recommendation: push.

Originally posted by SvenBe
@Thazar:

- bluffs fold anyways - to a raise or to the shove
- assume the range consists of 50% bluffs - these fold no matter what.
- now it depends on the rest of the range, also here we can discount hands that think they are the nuts (most notably the full houses) because they gonna bring it in,too
- so, it is all about hands like (preflop) slowplayed KK & AA, AQ, A8, any other 8x, and of course all other one pair combos that might call or not.

I think this is very opponent specific but my gut feeling says that a raise is not getting called 3x as often as a push, hence my recommendation: push.

bluff will fold to anything raise or shove.

My point is anything better than AQ will probably reraise you. he does not have any A8 or other 8x in the range (only 4 8s in the deck )
I think you get the most value with a $4 or so raise s you keep all the Qx in play ( just call but the probably will fold to a shove and I think the majority of his range is the Qx hands)

and better hands he will be likely to reraise you with and therefore you also will get value from it in many case.

he does not have any A8 or other 8x in the range (only 4 8s in the deck )

but... but... THE JOKER!