SH50 - Defend against 3B

Hey, if he doesn't go broke post flop very often and he folds to alot of 4bets whilst 3betting relentlessly I think this is a good hand to 4bet fold.

Originally posted by pleno1
Hey, if he doesn't go broke post flop very often and he folds to alot of 4bets whilst 3betting relentlessly I think this is a good hand to 4bet fold.

Wouldn't i want to 4b/f weaker hands? And call him with hands which are ahead of his 3betting range?

sure, I think 4betting hands like k9 are good as well. AJ is close between 4b/f and flatting in position. If suited then I 100% call, off suit just plays a little worse, his turn aggression is quite important as we don't want to call alot of flops and fold alot of turns.

What else are good hands for calling IP against a wide 3B range?
Suited Broadways in generell and pp?

Don't wanted to include turn cbet/af since i don't have much data on him.

So far his AF by streets is 3,8/8,0/2,7

His high turn AF was also a factor for raising directly on the flop.

yeh suited broadways, 910s, AA/KK/QQ/JJ

I like the move with the nut gutter when you can have quite a few good hands, A would've been way better, but J does also give you a little extra.

Unfortunately, your sizing is awful, it's over 3x his bet. If you want to construct a flop cbet raising range in 3bet pot you have to make it small. You could actually just click it back if you manage to think of a good range against the right opponent.

In this case, about $10-11 will have the same result as your raise to $15. I don't think any equity hand will have doubts about shoving over either sizings and I don't think a hand like QQ goes crazy against either.

Originally posted by EmanuelC16
Unfortunately, your sizing is awful, it's over 3x his bet. If you want to construct a flop cbet raising range in 3bet pot you have to make it small. You could actually just click it back if you manage to think of a good range against the right opponent.

I wanted to raise the same i would raise for protection with a strong made hand which would be 2/3 of the pot (potsized raise would be 22,25) to have maximum foldequity.

But yeah thats expensive and i guess such raisesizes are not necessary in a 3B pot anyways because of the small STP ratio + i'm in position.

Originally posted by chocular77

Originally posted by EmanuelC16
Unfortunately, your sizing is awful, it's over 3x his bet. If you want to construct a flop cbet raising range in 3bet pot you have to make it small. You could actually just click it back if you manage to think of a good range against the right opponent.

I wanted to raise the same i would raise for protection with a strong made hand which would be 2/3 of the pot (potsized raise would be 22,25) to have maximum foldequity.

But yeah thats expensive and i guess such raisesizes are not necessary in a 3B pot anyways because of the small STP ratio + i'm in position.

Your raise is just great for your opponent. He 3bets a lot, cbets half pot and you raise everytime you have him beat. His strategy is marvelous vs you in this case, you don't use your position at all imo.

Originally posted by EmanuelC16
Your raise is just great for your opponent. He 3bets a lot, cbets half pot and you raise everytime you have him beat. His strategy is marvelous vs you in this case, you don't use your position at all imo.

Well as you can see in this hand i not only raise him when i have him beat.

And i'm not saying i only would raise him if i have him beat, thats board dependent.
But on this board i wouldn't just call if i have him beat because it's too dangerous.

Originally posted by chocular77

Originally posted by EmanuelC16
Your raise is just great for your opponent. He 3bets a lot, cbets half pot and you raise everytime you have him beat. His strategy is marvelous vs you in this case, you don't use your position at all imo.

Well as you can see in this hand i not only raise him when i have him beat.

And i'm not saying i only would raise him if i have him beat, thats board dependent.
But on this board i wouldn't just call if i have him beat because it's too dangerous.

Monsters under the bed syndrome imo.

Very few better hands fold here... AQ without the FD, the other AJ combos, JJ, maybe QQ if he even cbets them on this flop and that's not 100% sure. You actually are just bluffing him of a small equity part, never off a half decent hand though imo... He has lots of hands like Jxs, Qxs, 76s, etc which you are ahead of but they have eqiuty vs you and you make him fold a great equity share of the pot.

LE: Fwiw, I think you can go without a cbet raising range in a 3bet pot 100bb deep IP.

Hi,

I would sometimes 4-bet bluff with worse Ax hands, but to me AJ is strong enough to call. On that board either raise/folding or floating should be both fine options. SInce I can´t call aagin on the turn I would prefer raising myself 10.5$ which should make him fold all the air and QQ/JJ, Tx hands. Just to raise also there with KQ to balance out your bluffraises.

best regards,