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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

PokerStars - $0.02 PL Hi FAST (6 max) - Omaha Hi - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 100 BB (VPIP: 23.68, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 154)
SB: 118.5 BB (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 16.00, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 50)
BB: 104 BB (VPIP: 14.21, PFR: 8.70, 3Bet Preflop: 3.46, Hands: 573)
UTG: 119.5 BB (VPIP: 21.44, PFR: 14.78, 3Bet Preflop: 5.56, Hands: 2,293)
MP: 129 BB (VPIP: 20.25, PFR: 10.13, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 81)
Hero (CO): 109 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♦ J♣ 4♣ 5♦

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3.5 BB, BTN raises to 12 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 8.5 BB

Flop: (25.5 BB, 2 players) 5♠ 4♦ 3♥
Hero checks, BTN bets 24.5 BB, Hero calls 24.5 BB

Turn: (74.5 BB, 2 players) 9♣

Spoiler

Hero bets 72 BB, BTN calls 63.5 BB and is all-in

River: (201.5 BB, 2 players) 9♥

Hero shows J♦ J♣ 4♣ 5♦ (Two Pair, Jacks and Nines)
(Pre 56%, Flop 27%, Turn 10%)
BTN shows K♠ T♦ 2♦ A♠ (Straight, Five High)
(Pre 44%, Flop 73%, Turn 90%)
BTN wins 195 BB

30 hand where he did not 3bet yet and flop-cbet is 70%
How would you have played that hand?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

tough spot.
First question:
What is your hand's equity vs your estimate of villain's 3Bet range?

His hand is screaming "I have Aces" and he may have a random deuce as well.
I think 76 is less likely.

Would he CBet pot AAxx without hitting the board in any other way?

Let's assume we're ahead of his Aces, and that he has no re-draw to a wheel.
Here's what Equilab says if you think maybe he could do this with KKxx +

Board: 5♠4♦3♥
       Equity    Wins    Ties
CO     60.64%  60.24%   0.40% { JdJc4c5d }
BU     39.36%  38.96%   0.40% { K+K+**/op }

So perhaps re-raising is appropriate...

Do we ever see someone with a set?

No idea.
if he had bet less than pot OTF I would raise.
Against the pot, I'm undecided -- I really want to see what others think...

Cheers,
VS


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NatRPheM
Joined: 05.10.2008

Hand sample is too small to really get into deep analyzing and it ends up being more of a either he has it spot or he doesn't. Generally people overplay AA so much in PLO that because of that I don't like getting it in on the flop because what draw's are we trying to protect against and will AAxx really call off? I much rather go check/call and on any none A/2/3 turn with less than pot size left, I either donk shove or check/call. People are way more prone to stack off light against a what seems like a strange donk shove on turn than c/shove on coordinated flop, also way more likely at those stakes to just continue aggression on turn because they simply don't want to check back AAxx and see it as the better option. The check line does give him a chance to check it back, but I am fine with having a decision on the river, I think it will be a rare occurrence though to reach the river without being AI.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

@VorpalF2F: I dont think his BU vs CO range is containing only AAxx. It could go up to 8-9% of a typical 3bet range ip.
I am also not sure if he would pot his AAxx, I actually have no idea what pot means here.

@NatRPhem yes that souns somewhat reasonable. But I by myself I am not pottin this kind of flop texture when ip so it is kinda weird. u also have to think when players pot they usually do it with a strong hand.


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NatRPheM
Joined: 05.10.2008

You need to take into account that majority of people get blinded by AAxx because they have a past with NL. At PLO 0.01-0.02 people are not gonna be really good and most are trying it out, but even at 0.25/0.5 you see people overplay and get blinded by AAxx more than you see people play it properly, just a massive leak in majorities game. If your mentality is that AAxx is as strong as AA in NL suddenly their line makes a lot more sense based on their thinking all though it being factually wrong as AAxx is pretty much nothing after most flops


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010

I also get it in on safe boards with AA at SPR <4 oop in 3bp, if I play halfpot, I'm often gettin outplayed..

However, here is the runout:

Spoiler

Turn: (74.5 BB, 2 players) 9♣
Hero bets 72 BB, BTN calls 63.5 BB and is all-in

River: (201.5 BB, 2 players) 9♥

Hero shows J♦ J♣ 4♣ 5♦ (Two Pair, Jacks and Nines)
(Pre 56%, Flop 27%, Turn 10%)
BTN shows K♠ T♦ 2♦ A♠ (Straight, Five High)
(Pre 44%, Flop 73%, Turn 90%)
BTN wins 195 BB

if he 3-bets AKT2ds, he is 3-betting quite a lot of hands.


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