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PLO50 QQT9ss, quads too weak to raise river?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007
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MP is reggy player who doesnt usually overplay stuff clearly.

Pre is standard. Flop decided to bet small as I unblock most hands that can continue. On turn A I wont have any raising range.

In river my quads have fallen to third nuts. We face pot bet villain repping AK+ for value. Obviously dont have read if villain is able to get away from AA. So I was thinking this might be best to just call but it also feels nitty as usually people dont get away from AA. But on other hand I think KK and royal flush is totally viable for villain line. Plus of course AA nut boat is usually not 4th nuts so I think folding it is not such massive hero fold here. River SPR is 3.5.

Game #2291569271: Table €50 PL - 0.25/0.50 - Pot Limit Omaha - 18:03:12 2025/08/18
Seated players
Seat 1: Haiton (€38.54)
Seat 2: MDembele (€103.36)
Seat 3: Tapsutu (€183.05)
Seat 4: k_haukka (€96.89)
Seat 5: e2-e4 (€50)
Seat 6: DonHuan2 (€38.68)
Blinds and button
k_haukka has the button
e2-e4 posts small blind €0.25
DonHuan2 posts big blind €0.50
Hole cards
Dealt to Tapsutu Q♥:Q♦:T♣:9♥:
Preflop
Haiton folds
MDembele raises €1.75 to €1.75
Tapsutu calls €1.75
k_haukka folds
e2-e4 folds
DonHuan2 calls €1.25
Flop K♠:Q♣:Q♠: (5.5€)
DonHuan2 checks
MDembele checks
Tapsutu bets €1.75
DonHuan2 calls €1.75
MDembele calls €1.75
Turn A♠: (10.75€)
DonHuan2 checks
MDembele bets €7.50
Tapsutu calls €7.50
DonHuan2 folds
River K♥: (25.75€)
MDembele bets €25.75
Tapsutu?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010
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I'm an Omaha fish for high-only games, but I would think that a lot of full houses would bet that river.
Even so, I can see how royal flushes and quad Kings are distinct possibilities

But my question is Why not raise the turn?


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007
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I rarely have AA after just calling preflop and this is also likely reason MP decided to lead here. He has all AA after calling small flop stab. I want to keep his bluffs in like some Ax or AK type hand.

I guess I could have some miniscule raising range as AA is only third nuts in this case and perhaps mix in some form of Q+J♠: as very ballsy bluff. But even if we only raise turn as value with QQ or royal keeping villain range wider while in position is nice outcome from call. Plus recreational third player perhaps calls some nut flush if I just call.

If villain has AA or KK he will continue to value bet those on almost any river anyway and he might continue to rep those as bluffs. But if I raise turn those bluffs just snap fold most likely. My plan was to shove happily on river unless it's A or K. On A it's clear call only spot as KK is very unlikely to give action. On K I can see some value still in shove.

Anyway when I have QQ in my hand that leaves AK and AA only option as boats for villain to have.


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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010
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I think there is too many :Ax: :Kx: (+FD) and :Ax: :Ax: combos in MP's range to not raise 4value in a vacuum. I think we have to discount :Kx: :Kx: to some degree, at least some of those should check-raise the flop 3way. For MP being the RFI :Ax: :Ax: are very well frequently within his range too, while bare :Ax: :Kx: also make sense to lead ott. J♠:T♠: being just a very few combos among plenty I would primarily be worried about :Kx: :Kx:. Quads over quads is still a cooler pretty much always at 100bb. Kinda depends on how nitty villain is and if he has a block-betting range otr. Since this setup is so super rare, I personally would not worry about it (nor analyze it).


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