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[Closed] 2$ turbo A9o MP3 shove

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pokerski
Joined: 05.05.2010
Oldschool Grinder

Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$150/$300 No-Limit Hold'em (5 handed)

Known players:
[tg]MP3 (Hero)$2065.00:///////;CO$3509.00:///////;BU$1830.00:///////;SB$2190.00:///////;BB$3906.00:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with 9:h, A:s.
Hero raises to $2,065.00(All-In), 2 folds, SB raises to $2,190.00, BB folds.

Flop: ($4555) 3:h, 6:d, 7:s (2 players)

Turn: ($4555) 5:s (2 players)

River: ($4555) 5:c (2 players)

Final Pot: $4555.

Was not sure in that one.
To loose?
BB is 14/12 108 hands


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stevegold87
Joined: 18.06.2009
PokerStrategist

This is close. Again a lot of people to act in front of you but the blinds are so big. The problem is also BB is the big stack....This would depends on your table. If most people on your table are tight I would push but if you have 1-2 donkey with huge calling range this is an easy fold imo.


ppedrin
Joined: 24.04.2010
PokerStrategist

It is a bit marginal imo.You are first in, but you have all the other players to act after you, and often will be at least 1 A with a better kicker.I usualy fold in this situation.


Given the amount of damage to our stack that is going to occur from the blinds, I think it is OK to take a slight negative edge here.. can't do the Wizard calculation myself, but I think a shove looks OK imo.
A9s is a snap shove


pokerski Topic starter
pokerski
Joined: 05.05.2010
Oldschool Grinder

Ok played with that hand a little.

UTG 19.8%, 22+ A2s+ ATo+ K9s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ T9s

ICM Nash Calculator Results

BB is tight, but SB not sow. SB has 24% open call, but still think would not call +15% in this situation. Others call ranges are from stats.

As far as I understand nash shove range is bigger as it "advances the blinds" but still quite big difference between nash and wizard. Don't really know how much negative edge in wizard can I take?


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007
Elite Grinder

I wouldn't say this is the best analysis. I don't think you've tweaked around with the numbers enough. I think in this spot I'd take roughly a -0.3 edge push or thereabouts. But I'd say this push is even +$EV here if we made the callranges more realistic.


pokerski Topic starter
pokerski
Joined: 05.05.2010
Oldschool Grinder

Tightened the ranges = CO 5.6, BTN 12.1, SB 10.1, BB to 8 as he was tightish and it is a shove -.27
-.30

Probably still to wide but those are 2s.


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007
Elite Grinder

In that case at the bottom of SNGWizard there is a fold branch for actions after yo'uve folded. You will need to tweak that to give you a better answer.


pokerski Topic starter
pokerski
Joined: 05.05.2010
Oldschool Grinder

Interesting, didn't play with that before. Got a 25% shove range for UTG after playing with fold branch. Even wider, does that make sense?

See will have to give more attention when ICM trainer for those range reactions.


chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007
Elite Grinder

Makes perfect sense. So close to the money if people are busting out after you fold then folding is better :P.


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