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Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em Tournament, 20/40 Blinds (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

MP2 (t1470)
CO (t2460)
Button (t90)
SB (t1470)
BB (t1440)
UTG (t1500)
Hero (UTG+1) (t1500)
MP1 (t3570)

Hero's M: 25.00

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q, Q
1 fold, UTG calls t40, Hero raises to t160, 1 fold, MP2 raises to t1470 (All-In), 1 fold, Button calls t90 (All-In), 2 folds, Hero calls t1310

Flop: (t3110) 8, 5, A (3 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: (t3110) 9 (3 players, 2 all-in)

River: (t3110) 10 (3 players, 2 all-in)

Total pot: t3110

Hi all, I'm a complete beginner in MTT, so I still have many doubts. I raised with QQ and villain goes all in. Would pay or fold such a hand?

And also, how should I generally deal with pre-flop re-raises in the early stages of a tournament. In SSS we have a very clear rule of how to behave in such situation.

Thanks a lot.


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you dont say what the buy-ins are

chance are that MP2 got Ax and you are either 50% against AK or 70% against any other A

in a sng you can fold it as you will have chances to get chips back but MTT is different and you need to build big chip stack , if he got As or Ks then he wont push as he will need to build pot , lower buy-ins then it can be lotto with players pushing with a very wide range

the big differance with MTT to SSS is that you need to be able to play down the streets , spoting weakness & players playing soft which you can steal from and with the big money being in the top three players being a very good SNG player will pay dividens knowing how to win the final table


_Anonymous_ Topic starter
_Anonymous_

Thanks. The buy-in was in Fulltilt points, thus yeah, players were probably much looser. I'm joining these tournaments now just for practice, and in order to attempt an entry at larger money tournaments.

So, in a proper MTT (where I don't expect players to be extremely loose) I could shove it in this situation right? since I shouldn't expect him to have an As Ks?

I also read this post by one of the judges, from which I understood I should only check/call small raises with PP.:

Originally posted by grummeler
no.
in the early stages of the tournaments you use your low pairs to dubble up or lose just a few chips.
raising is a mistake bacause it wont thin the field so you have to hit your set anyway.
so limp/call or coldcall a small raise is much better.
and you should only use it when the danger of beeing reraised behind you is quite low.
be aware that your stack and the stack of your opponent is about 15-20 times the raise so your implied odds compensate your losses.

you will often have to fold when you dont hit your set.
but in 1 out of 8 or 9 times you will hit your set and get a real big pot.

so you will lose often, but when you lose you lose justa few, and when you win you might dubble up threw an AK or high pair.


faz182
Joined: 03.11.2008

hey dandy. That post about limping with pp only applies to small pairs.

DO NOT LIMP WITH QQ!!!!

Because they are so vulnerable to an A or K on the flop, you have to raise pre f to drive out hands like A5 or K9.


_Anonymous_ Topic starter
_Anonymous_

Alright, thanks a lot.


GunFlavoured
Joined: 19.10.2008

I would push that in a freeroll, so many fish pushing Ax because they didnt buy in with real money. You need a bit of luck early to stay in the running while all the fish fight it out. That and QQ is pretty decent.


Maniatrix
Joined: 01.11.2008

Queens is an easy push in my opinion since your opponents are eager to push 99+ and AJ+


yep i would love to go all in here with the queens.


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