[Closed] KQhh vs weak player 17 left

preflop with someone raising may be temped to fold this , as played would fold to a 3bet

as played on flop would shove this as well & hope all your outs are live

Originally posted by curnow
preflop with someone raising may be temped to fold this , as played would fold to a 3bet

as played on flop would shove this as well & hope all your outs are live

I"M 3beting here

I like to coldcall this hands
if u 3bet he will fold every worse hand

if u just call, u hold weaker hands in pot
postflop u have posi and very good playability

I think a 3bet is +ev, but a coldcall is better

KQo I most times 3bet because of blocker and worse playability

recent times I call every hand with good playability and 3bet polarised

-ur sugesting to just call his 4xBB open raise IP. Aren't we then opening ourselves to a squeeze from BTN or blinds??

-do u think folding preflop this hand is weak??

- as u can see i decide to 3bet.
What do u think about mine 3bet size, was it to small?
Do u think with those stack size shove preflop will be better then 3beting?

I think your stack is awkward to 3bet. With 32BB u can not profitably 3bet/fold or 3bet/call. Both options suck. It is really opponent dependent what to do imo. Usually if TAG fish raise 4BB, they hold AT+ 55-JJ(they don't know to play postflop) and almost never fold to 3bet or shove. IF he is more of LAG fish then u can add Ax,KJ+22+ in his CO opening range. The word for me is that u don't have FE whenever u shove or 3bet. If would like the 3bet if we had 40BB cause we can define his range more precisely. I expect this villain to flat any 3bet with whole his opening range and to 4bet with AK/TT+.
As played call is probably optimal. If blinds are active guys who are likely to squeeze, fold is gaining value.

Originally posted by bah22
I think your stack is awkward to 3bet. With 32BB u can not profitably 3bet/fold or 3bet/call. Both options suck. It is really opponent dependent what to do imo. Usually if TAG fish raise 4BB, they hold AT+ 55-JJ(they don't know to play postflop) and almost never fold to 3bet or shove. IF he is more of LAG fish then u can add Ax,KJ+22+ in his CO opening range. The word for me is that u don't have FE whenever u shove or 3bet. If would like the 3bet if we had 40BB cause we can define his range more precisely. I expect this villain to flat any 3bet with whole his opening range and to 4bet with AK/TT+.
As played call is probably optimal. If blinds are active guys who are likely to squeeze, fold is gaining value.

same thoughts all the way

i prefer 3 betting over shoving and calling b/c i'll take inciative and have like pot size bet on flop and i can make him fold some better hands if i decide to shove flop
but as u sayed i think folding here preflop is best
and b/c i agree too that his 4 beting shoving range is TT+,AK u can 3 bet (small as i do) and fold if he shoves (it will left u like 25BB stack)

y I also think 3bet looks stronger then a shove and potsize left on flop can be a edge again weak player

if u think, that he raises AT+ 55-JJ ... then its just a fold
call or 3bet is just good, if u think that he raise looser
ur 3bet size is a bit small, but i think its ok, because its looks strong and he cant make odds call with just potsize behind

u said, if u call he guys behind us can squezze
but if u 3bet, mp2 have a good spot to push, if he know that u can 3bet loose

overall ... if u think he is tight, then u should just fold it
if he is loose I prefer to call ... i also whould call nutz in this spot ...

@push
u have 1:5 (deadmoney:stack) thats a bit much ... 1:3,5 whould be much better
so u need much FE ... if he is loose, push should be bare +ev
I think push isnt best line

KQ is a good hand for raise/fold because of blocker, but its bad to shove because of bad equity again tight callings ranges