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SM 215$ 800 left, 4bet-shove w/ A8s in an agro-dynamic ?

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belgianbeer
Joined: 17.05.2008
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Hi guys,

this is a hand I've played last night.
we just pass through the bubble and ahve been moved to a new table.

the open-raiser has been really active so far : since I've seen him flat call a push from UTG for 3bb w/ K9s in the CO, I've seen a lot of dead money in his game and decide to adapt my game plan into sth more agressive.
his stat are 67/58 after 12hands.

in these last hands I've already 3bet-shoved him once without any SD.

then come this hand :

PokerStars Hand #102022938923: Tournament #815020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIX (2000/4000) - 2013/07/29 1:42:16 CET [2013/07/28 19:42:16 ET]
Table '815020010 18' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 1: Hero (81821 in chips)
Seat 2: Harel82 (202548 in chips)
Seat 3: Arancaa (92810 in chips)
Seat 4: bballertsw7 (29346 in chips)
Seat 5: pabritz (96262 in chips)
Seat 6: whitey714 (33697 in chips)
Seat 7: SINGIDUNUM1 (50370 in chips)
Seat 8: AssDuive (215806 in chips)
Seat 9: Giguere44 (13208 in chips)
Hero : posts the ante 400
Harel82: posts the ante 400
Arancaa: posts the ante 400
bballertsw7: posts the ante 400
pabritz: posts the ante 400
whitey714: posts the ante 400
SINGIDUNUM1: posts the ante 400
AssDuive: posts the ante 400
Giguere44: posts the ante 400
Giguere44: posts small blind 2000
belgianbeer2: posts big blind 4000
HOLE CARDS
Dealt to hero [8 :diamond: A :diamond:]
Harel82: folds
Arancaa: folds
bballertsw7: folds
pabritz: raises 4000 to 8000
whitey714: folds
SINGIDUNUM1: folds
AssDuive: raises 7275 to 15275
Giguere44: folds
Hero : raises 66146 to 81421 and is all-in

  • Here I see AssDuive more on the light side bec of his stack and the dynamic.
  • Bec of my blocker and the residual equity of A :diamond: 8 :diamond: agansit a call I decided to jam here.
  • however, I wonder if i should tighten-up my range here because of the dynamic. Maybe one of the both could call a bit lighter than they should and leave me w/ not enought FE to have an EV+ shove here.
  • And in the end, would you prefere a min-4bet and fold against a 5bet ? (personnely, this kind of move isn't in my game plan already)

thanks for the comments!


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007
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Hi all,

Looks fine. We easily get the odds if we min 5bet vs any ranges. Consequently I prefer 4bet shoving directly vs these wide ranges.


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If you had shoved A8s to his min-raise then I think you can mix it up also cold 4bet shoving. If 3-bettor can 3-bet/fold there AJ, then I love your cold 4bet shove, but if it is first 3-bet then I´m not sure how much general fold equity you have and he is most likely 3-betting that spot for value. So you´re risking 20bb to win 6bb- not too bad risk/reward situation.

best regards,


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chenny8888
Joined: 03.10.2007
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Originally posted by Kaitz20
If you had shoved A8s to his min-raise then I think you can mix it up also cold 4bet shoving. If 3-bettor can 3-bet/fold there AJ, then I love your cold 4bet shove, but if it is first 3-bet then I´m not sure how much general fold equity you have and he is most likely 3-betting that spot for value. So you´re risking 20bb to win 6bb- not too bad risk/reward situation.

best regards,

I read this as the opposite actually. I find the first 3bet to be more bluffy as the 3bettor cannot 3bet particularly wide for value.


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