Big downswing

Hi, Kokuruz...
I assume you have HM2 or PT4?

If so, filter for hands were you lost more than 50BB.
Look at each in the replayer.
Would you do the same thing again? If so, pass that one by for now.

If you're not sure, post that hand for evaluation in the Hand Evaluation forums or Hand Discussion forums.

Do you have Equilab? It is very useful for analyzing your equity in various spots.

Once you've done the "Biggest Losers" pass, have a look at hands where you folded just because you had no idea what to do. Post those.

That should get you started...

Best of luck,
--VS

Already did that contacted a my friend who is a high stakes player and we went through the hands.

In general it was ok had 5+ hands with set over set and like 3 hands where I totally F it up.

He gave me this tip.

Don't make a 4000€ waranty on your car which is worth 100€.
In poker this should mean don't make a hero call where villlian makes a huge overbet when you have invested only a few blinds in the pot.

Big pots matter less than small pots when looking for leaks. Why? Because big pots are usually standard situations, i.e. set vs set, flush vs straight, AA vs KK and so on... And as a poker player you don't really make all your money from the big pots, majority of the winnings come from the smaller pots.

Moved this to our Learn to Win section

Originally posted by Rihard4a
Big pots matter less than small pots when looking for leaks. Why? Because big pots are usually standard situations, i.e. set vs set, flush vs straight, AA vs KK and so on... And as a poker player you don't really make all your money from the big pots, majority of the winnings come from the smaller pots.

So if I were to record my session lets say 45 min, would anyone go through it and comment if my small pots are okay? (btw I think they aren't because my redline kinda sucks)

OK, so if we're skipping over the big hand analysis (and Rihard4a is technically right -- you play far more small pots than big ones. It's just that if you have big pot leaks, plugging those first saves you a ton right off the bat).

So which is it?
Filter your stats to show only pots won/lost > 50 BB.
What is your winrate?

No filter for the reverse?
How does the winrate compare?

If you really are losing more on small pots, then on to small pots.

For those, look at your overall stats.

In HM2 show the position report. How do you fare position by position?
What is your vpip/pfr for each position?

Just out of curiosity, how many hands are we looking at?
Less than 50K won't mean much.
What stakes do you play?

Cheers,
--VS

have you set a a stop loss?

Yes I do have a stop loss. This downswing was over many sessions.

Anyway here is one hand:

My thoughts after reviewing it:
-when villian donks half pot and I raise his cbet and he 3bets I thinks its a fold since his AF is 2.9

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5.91 (118.2 bb)
BB: $6.25 (125 bb)
UTG: $6.24 (124.8 bb)
MP: $4.91 (98.2 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $14.61 (292.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 7
2 folds, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, CO calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.47) 2 3 2 (2 players)
CO bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.70, CO raises to $1.30, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($3.07) Q (2 players)
CO bets $1.50, Hero folds

Results:

Originally posted by Kokuruz
Yes I do have a stop loss. This downswing was over many sessions.

Anyway here is one hand:

My thoughts after reviewing it:
-when villian donks half pot and I raise his cbet and he 3bets I thinks its a fold since his AF is 2.9

Poker Stars, $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $5.91 (118.2 bb)
BB: $6.25 (125 bb)
UTG: $6.24 (124.8 bb)
MP: $4.91 (98.2 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $14.61 (292.2 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with 7 7
2 folds, CO calls $0.05, Hero raises to $0.20, 2 folds, CO calls $0.15

Flop: ($0.47) 2 3 2 (2 players)
CO bets $0.20, Hero raises to $0.70, CO raises to $1.30, Hero calls $0.60

Turn: ($3.07) Q (2 players)
CO bets $1.50, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

$3.07 pot ($0.13 rake)
Final Board: 2 3 2 Q
CO mucked and won $2.94 ($1.44 net)
Hero mucked 7 7 and lost (-$1.50 net)

AF of this means he calls 1 time while donking, betting xraising 3 times more often. It just means he dont like to call.. he is aggressive yes. I would call flop and see the turn. if he still pushes pressure on you its a fold. + you should check WTSD and W$WSF. as rihard mentioned its all about small pots so dont bloat pot in here. you would save 10bb by playing as i said instead of your way 22bb better NONSD line for you.

was reading through that cash game student blog here on PS and it kinda opened my eyes.
I would usually Cbet like OOP with lets say KQo on 987 board just because I would think that I have to do it even tho it might be vs a loose passive opponent or one that rarely folds to Cbets.
Another reason why I was Cbeting is like well if I hit my 6 outer I will get so much more from that guy.

Now I always ask myself:"Why should I bet? What do I achieve by betting here? Generally OOP I only Cbet with atleast a pair or some draw. If you have nothing its better to just give up the hand.

Anything I'm missing?

Great thread, we featured it here:

http://www.pokerstrategy.com/news/content/87167/

20% of the BR is not a huge downswing. I just reached NL10 and started it with losing half my BR ^.^

But downswing depends on the volume you play. I play around 5k+ hands a day, so losing a few Buyins is normal to me. If you only play 1k hands a day, obviously it seems like a whole month of loss.

Just keep going, I think stoploss is nonsense. Just use proper BRM, and you won't need stoploss.

Just keep going, I think stoploss is nonsense. Just use proper BRM, and you won't need stoploss.

I respectfully disagree. I think stoploss may or may not be nonsense depending on the player, personally I use it to discipline myself and to avoid tilting (as I'm quite prone to it) and it works

its very normal keep playin gl