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Tyrion88
Joined: 21.06.2007

Hi Community,

i am confused.

The last beginner course was 2017, is that correct?
https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=420360

The Starting Hand chart is completly different to the strategy section:
https://www.pokerstrategy.com/strategy/bss/short-handed-preflop-basics/

2 Question that I have:
Which one is more up to date, if any?

Why are there no more beginner courses?

Greetings,
Tyrion


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emiln
Joined: 05.10.2009

i would recomand you ... to get some coaching first.... :f_cool:


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Tyrion88
Joined: 21.06.2007

Any serious suggestions? As a beginner there should be enough material to learn without coachings i think.
At least that is what pokerstrategy.com is meant to be in the first place.


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Searching out vids and materials I think Lemon32 is the more updated.
Otherwise, we should keep in mind that Pokerstrategy articles is a base to build a strategy in the long term and add these videos content.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi guys, considering that the basics don't change much,
If you're totally new to poker, I recommend reading our No Limit Hold'em lessons overview articles first.
That article leads you through the basics and beyond.
It is even recommended if you've played a while _biggrin:

If SnGs are your thing, then there is a similar overview in that section.
Yes the starting hands chart are different for different levels -- the idea is to keep total beginners out of trouble post-flop. If you're comfortable, widening your range can be quite profitable -- risky, but profitiable.

All the best,
VS


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Tyrion88
Joined: 21.06.2007

Hi VorpalF2F,

thank you. Im into cash games only.

Why are there no more beginner courses?
All silver strategy videos regarding cash games are from 2018.

My question is more a general one. Is Pokerstrategy up to date regarding cashgame in the beginner field?

Even if the basics don't change much. There are also Preflop charts for the higher limits for gold status. Unfortunatly there is no date at the strategy articles, but the first comments are from 2013. And I think NL200 (which the charts are based on), has changed since 2013.
Are they really still valid?


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JnB90
Joined: 20.03.2020

You got to understand, as you are moving up in stakes there are really no charts. Its not like you just play ABC what the chart says, this charts are just a guideline. Most players will eventually have their own gameplan and in live game you want to be adapting all the time to your opponents. The beginners charts are good, because if you dont know how to play at they make sure that you dont open too much or to tight.

So obviously a NL200 will won t just look at a chart and play it 1:1.
Safe to say though that this charts are profitable at very low stakes as the style of play at the micros have not changed.

Just as an advise for the beginning:
Stick to the chart of the Beginners Course and make sure to adapt the postflop strategy as well.


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Tyrion88
Joined: 21.06.2007

So you wanna say the charts for the gold status are pretty much worthless? And I should not buy gold status?


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venatici
Joined: 15.03.2010

Originally posted by Tyrion88
So you wanna say the charts for the gold status are pretty much worthless? And I should not buy gold status?

If you wanted to buy a gold status to get charts then definitely don't do that.
Donate the money to some charity or so.

As of starting hands try posting your ideas in strategy forums. Maybe someone will help.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Tyrion88
So you wanna say the charts for the gold status are pretty much worthless? And I should not buy gold status?

Hi Tyrion88,
They're are quite valuable, in the context of a player who is comfortable playing at least NL 10 and perhaps NL 25 as a minimum.

The gold level starting hands charts aren't just "do this do that"
They provide ranges, and suggest alternate strategies for different situations.

You can't just start using them at the beginning in fact they would be worse than useless to a beginning player.
The gold level charts are much, much wider than the beginner charts, because they assume strong post-flop play.
Also, they are meant to be a starting point to building your own ranges that you will use vs nits, lags, maniacs and so-on.

Follow this link to a gold level strategy article "Constructing a game plan"
You should be able to see the first few paragraphs to get an idea of the complexity of this topic.

I suggest that if your bankroll can handle it, take a shot at the next highest level to the one you usually play.
If you do well, keep going.
If you get beaten up pick the hands you think need explaining and post them in a hand discussion forum.

All the best,
VS


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Tyrion88
Joined: 21.06.2007

Yes, ok, thank you.

And now back to the topic.

All the content in the strategy section is absolutly up to date, right? (Even if it is from 2013.)

And new beginner courses are not made because of reasons.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi Tyrion88
Beginner-level content rarely changes, however a lot of material that is obsolete has been recently removed.

So clearly someone has gone through and weeded out irrelevant stuff -- whether they have actually changed any of the articles I don't know.

I just happened to notice that some articles I used to recommend are no longer in the list.

Best Regards,
VS


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Tyrion88
Joined: 21.06.2007

That is good to know. Difficult to see though, but good to know. Thank you for your respond.


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Dandiiik
Joined: 19.07.2009

Hi Tyrion, as Vorpal already said, beginner materials are pretty much the same all the time. I can guarantee you that if you follow them you will be able to beat NL2-NL10, maybe even up to NL25. Beyond that you will have to build your own strategy anyway. No article tells you how to beat NL100+. There it is about exploiting weaker regs, a lot of analyzing, finding your own leaks etc. And of course a lot of experience with gameplay.

I can definitely recommend W34z3l´s video series called Walkthrough which is a series of 10 silver videos involving basically everything you need to beat micros - constructing ranges, basic math, population tendencies, constructing your post flop gameplan etc. These are like 5 years old but if you comprehend the information in them you should be able to beat the micros.


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Tyrion88
Joined: 21.06.2007

Thanks a lot. This also generates trust in the material. Then let's see, how far I can get. :)


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arthurbentley
Joined: 12.10.2010

To crush 2 and 5 NL play between 10-15% of hands preflop in full ring games. Bet when you have a made strong hand, and check if you don't.

C/bet bluff against one player but not against multiple players. If you get re-raised while holding TPTK with no completed draw on board, the villain likely has a set or two pair. The players very rarely bluff and so folding TPTK to a 3/bet isn't a leak. Unless the player is the table maniac in which case you get it all in on the flop.

Colour code players according to recognised playing styles. I mark a TAG red, Nit Orange, LAG turquoise, Loose Passive Green, Loose bad Yellow, and the table maniac Purple.

You can throw in timely bluffs against NITs and Loose Passive players. But not against Loose bad, and maniacs. They call too often. You exploit them by betting aggressively for value. Tread carefully with TAGs and good LAGs.

It doesn't take a lot of thinking to beat the bottom level. Just play strong hands and fold to aggression and you are guaranteed to make 10bb/100 over a long sample.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Well said arthurbentley


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Tyrion88
Joined: 21.06.2007

I will try it this way. :)
NL2 6max zoom is working so far. (7.7bb/100 20k sample)


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JnB90
Joined: 20.03.2020

Originally posted by Tyrion88
I will try it this way. :)
NL2 6max zoom is working so far. (7.7bb/100 20k sample)

Good one! Make sure to find a good balance between playing poker and theory. Its too tempting to just play when you are on a upswing but in the long run it will hurt your over all game


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