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Calculating the EV of calling a 4B pre using pokerjuice.

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Enzioo
Joined: 16.06.2014
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I've recently been putting in some effort into getting good at PLO, so I've bought a subscription to pokerjuice, which I've been fooling around with a bit. I've been looking at the EV of calling a 4B pre given that we know villains 4bets only AA(which is a reasonable assumption for some villains) and pots every flop/turn. The module Peel&stack-off has been very useful for this, but I've thought of some potential issues that I think need to be considered in these situations.

1. I assume rake is not taken into account for these EV calculations. Am I correct in assuming that we can adjust for this as follows?

Cost of rake=Rake paid when we win*(1-rakeback percentage)*% of times we win
with % of times we win being equal to the percentage of times we stackoff*average equity when we stackoff.
At PLO25 on pokerstars, the cost of rake would be roughly 1.5bbs using this formula.

2. Given my assumptions in this scenario, villain can't make a mistake(he simply pots every single time, easy). I however must play perfectly. Is this a big problem or almost irrelevant? Obviously when I know that villain always has AAxx I'm not going to be making many mistakes, but it seems to me that this factor can make a break-even call into a losing one.

I used to call 4Bets with almost all of my 3B range in this scenario, but with the rake being as high as it is in PLO it seems that I should actually be folding a reasonable part of my range against players that only 4B AA at 100BB effective. Please let me know if I am on the right track here.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010
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You should be folding hands that are not +EV to call. :)

PokerJuice doesn't calculate rake. If you want to add it, just look how much would be the rake from 200bb pot (assuming you are 100bb) and then deduct part of that (how often you stack off on the flop) from your EV.

Personally I don't think about rake. Cos we get some of it back, so you would have to take rakeback, bonuses etc. into account. If PJ gives you marginal EV (like +1bb) then it's marginally -EV in reality. But the difference of 1 or 2bb's isn't that important in a situation that happens quite rarely (that your EV is 0-1bb when calling 4bet that is AAxx).

If you have to fold to 4bet often, then your 3betting range is screwed. Use PokerJuice to see what kind of hands give you negative EV. Most of the hands are Axxx and KKxx hands.


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Enzioo
Joined: 16.06.2014
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Thanks for the advice. I suppose you are right, this situation does not pop up very often so even if I sometimes make a mistake here the effect it would have on my winrate is very small. I actually don't fold to 4Bets often at all because my 3B range is in general fairly reasonable.

I've really been enjoying/learning a lot from your recent video content, keep it up.


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