Hand Judging reminder.

Let's talk about rake.
I won't playing PLO anymore.

That has to be the lamest most overused excuse ever

Originally posted by patszerdonk
Let's talk about rake.
I won't playing PLO anymore.

If you're talking about Omaha H/L then the rake in proportion to what you win is large.

However the good thing is that you lose a lot less, and in H/L games, if you have a great lo hand, it is easy to entice others in to the pot.

What REALLY sux, though is when you split the low (or high), but it's still better than losing totally.

I've been playing the Omaha freerolls on stars, and I'm getting more and more intrigued by the game.

--VS

Just look at blog section here or 2p2.com . Almost all PLO's blog (micro limit) died after a few post. Why? because they are not winning.

Ofcourse we still can winning at PLO despite of crazy rake. My point was playing PLO is less profitable if we compare it with other games. If we put the some effort/time for playing and learning, NLHE is clearly more profitable. I'm talking about PLO 25 and below. Don't know about others limit or sub game like PLO H/L

What I have heard is that micro NLHE is rocky environment and it's hard to win there. In PLO there is definitely value even in micros, but the fact is that rakeback is going to be a big portion of your income.

I guess that the reason why so many blogs died after few posts is the lack of interest. Did you check you how many blogs have died in similar way at NLHE section? And it might be that they find out that you actually need to learn PLO before you can make money out of it, so if they expected an easy money with just clicking some buttons they just got tired.

I have played only a couple thousand hands of PLO back in 2012 but it did seem like the fishiness is much higher than in hold'em so I don't see why it wouldn't be profitable.

One question I have for you PLO guys is after you've been playing it for so long can you instantly tell what hand someone has at showdown eg you just look at your opponents hand like:

J K 7 T

on

K 8 Q 5 9

and just be like "oh he's got the straight" in a split second?

When I was railing Isildur vs Bttech I'd see the money go one way and be like "huh.......?.......oh ok." Forget figuring out your equity is, must be a total headache at first

Originally posted by metza
I have played only a couple thousand hands of PLO back in 2012 but it did seem like the fishiness is much higher than in hold'em so I don't see why it wouldn't be profitable.

One question I have for you PLO guys is after you've been playing it for so long can you instantly tell what hand someone has at showdown eg you just look at your opponents hand like:

J K 7 T

on

K 8 Q 5 9

and just be like "oh he's got the straight" in a split second?

When I was railing Isildur vs Bttech I'd see the money go one way and be like "huh.......?.......oh ok." Forget figuring out your equity is, must be a total headache at first

You'll get used to it, the more you play.

Originally posted by metza
I have played only a couple thousand hands of PLO back in 2012 but it did seem like the fishiness is much higher than in hold'em so I don't see why it wouldn't be profitable.

One question I have for you PLO guys is after you've been playing it for so long can you instantly tell what hand someone has at showdown eg you just look at your opponents hand like:

J K 7 T

on

K 8 Q 5 9

and just be like "oh he's got the straight" in a split second?

When I was railing Isildur vs Bttech I'd see the money go one way and be like "huh.......?.......oh ok." Forget figuring out your equity is, must be a total headache at first

haha ♦ I remember when i started playin... I could only wait to see where the chips would move But after a while it gets automatic. You immeadiatly know which cards help you and which help your opponent... It was hard the first week for sure tough ♦

Hi all,

I started to play omaha few days ago (20:D), because i was tired from playing 9man SNG, it wasnt fun for me anymore. So far i played 11K hands at PLO10 and i like this game very much

1.You are all talking about rakeback, but i can't imagine to play somewhere esle, because i play on PS.
Is it so bad at PS for micro PLO? (plo10 and higher)

2.When i decided where to start my blog, i chose CZ/SVK plo komunity even if it looks like i am only one who post hands to HJ forum ♦ Meybe it was wrong move, i can improove my english skills, if nothing else. Who knows.

3.When i look into HJ forum, all hands are flo PLOzoom50 etc and i dont feel so skilled to put any comment, after i red Judge comments ♦

regards,
Mattusko

Hey mattusko

1. Well i believe PS has the most upside, even if rb is bad. The reason is there is a very large field, and imo it's very soft at the micros. Also, the rakeback is small, however so is the rake in the first place. I traveled around in my plo play, but came back to PS, and i haven't looked back.

2. Repost the blog here as well, why not? ♦ work on your translation skills as you go.

3. I suggest you post your own hands then; explain your thought process, and let the more experienced guys help you

Well, I for one am posting lots of donkey plays to discuss so I'm doing my bit, boss

I won my first ever PLO SNG last week without even knowing how to play it! (I clicked on it by accident and realised too late that it wasn't NLHE!)

daTy4to(UTG) $1.34 - VP:50 PFR:0 AF:0.7 W:33|0 STL:0| 3B:0|0 CB:|50 N:-2 Hands:12
Georgi4272(MP) $1.45 - VP:36 PFR:7 AF:Inf. W:33|0 STL:0| 3B:14|0 CB: N:-1.96 Hands:14
lokoboy1(CO) $6.50 - VP:79 PFR:57 AF:2.0 W:27|67 STL:100| 3B:40| CB:67|50 N:-2.50 Hands:14
TNJ2011(BTN) $8.06 - VP:79 PFR:29 AF:3.0 W:0| STL: 3B:0|0 CB:67|100 N:0.06 Hands:14
Me(SB) $5.12 - VP:46 PFR:17 AF:1.5 W:36|54 STL:26|36 3B:12|11 CB:38|47 N:-16.51 Hands:827
AlexandraLarisa(BB) $3.31 - VP:0 PFR:0 AF:0 W:0| STL: 3B:0| CB: N:-0.20 Hands:2

Pre Flop: Me(SB) with [2d,4d,2s,6c]
daTy4to(UTG) calls 0.05, Georgi4272(MP) raises 0.10, lokoboy1(CO) raises 0.42, TNJ2011(BTN) calls 0.42, Me(SB) calls 0.40, AlexandraLarisa(BB) folds, daTy4to(UTG) calls 0.37, Georgi4272(MP) raises 1.35, lokoboy1(CO) raises 5.24, TNJ2011(BTN) folds, Me(SB) calls 4.70, daTy4to(UTG) calls 0.92

Flop: (T :spade:,7 :heart:,8 :club:)

what man can do after tilt!

Ofcourse 2 come and I win here:s_evil:
Turn: (2 :club:)

River: (J :diamond:)

Final:
lokoboy1(CO) shows [Qh,8s,Th,Ks]
Me(SB) shows [2 :diamond:,4 :diamond:,2 :spade:,6 :club:]
daTy4to(UTG) shows [4s,4 :club:,A :club:,K :club:]
Georgi4272(MP) shows [Ah,As,7s,Qs]
Returns 0.54 to lokoboy1(CO)
Me(SB) wins 6.97
Me(SB) wins 0.32
Me(SB) wins 5.54

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Here is answer:
[table]ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
Powered by the Odds Oracle ( http://propokertools.com/odds_oracle )
[/table]
[table=head]Player | Equity | Wins Hi | Ties Hi
2d4d2s6c | 33,5835% | 33,5835% | 0,0000%
Qh8sThKs | 30,1394% | 30,0616% | 0,1573%
4s4cAcKc | 14,2579% | 14,1239% | 0,2698%
AhAs7sQs | 22,0193% | 21,8822% | 0,2761%
[/table]

fast I calculate in my brain that I have around 30% to win here vs all broduey card whitch kill eatch other!

Expect to take some leason form this how important is posision and reads of opponnet.

Originally posted by provoman
daTy4to(UTG) $1.34 - VP:50 PFR:0 AF:0.7 W:33|0 STL:0| 3B:0|0 CB:|50 N:-2 Hands:12
Georgi4272(MP) $1.45 - VP:36 PFR:7 AF:Inf. W:33|0 STL:0| 3B:14|0 CB: N:-1.96 Hands:14
lokoboy1(CO) $6.50 - VP:79 PFR:57 AF:2.0 W:27|67 STL:100| 3B:40| CB:67|50 N:-2.50 Hands:14
TNJ2011(BTN) $8.06 - VP:79 PFR:29 AF:3.0 W:0| STL: 3B:0|0 CB:67|100 N:0.06 Hands:14
Me(SB) $5.12 - VP:46 PFR:17 AF:1.5 W:36|54 STL:26|36 3B:12|11 CB:38|47 N:-16.51 Hands:827
AlexandraLarisa(BB) $3.31 - VP:0 PFR:0 AF:0 W:0| STL: 3B:0| CB: N:-0.20 Hands:2

Pre Flop: Me(SB) with [2d,4d,2s,6c]
daTy4to(UTG) calls 0.05, Georgi4272(MP) raises 0.10, lokoboy1(CO) raises 0.42, TNJ2011(BTN) calls 0.42, Me(SB) calls 0.40, AlexandraLarisa(BB) folds, daTy4to(UTG) calls 0.37, Georgi4272(MP) raises 1.35, lokoboy1(CO) raises 5.24, TNJ2011(BTN) folds, Me(SB) calls 4.70, daTy4to(UTG) calls 0.92

Flop: (T :spade:,7 :heart:,8 :club:)

what man can do after tilt!

Ofcourse 2 come and I win here:s_evil:
Turn: (2 :club:)

River: (J :diamond:)

Final:
lokoboy1(CO) shows [Qh,8s,Th,Ks]
Me(SB) shows [2 :diamond:,4 :diamond:,2 :spade:,6 :club:]
daTy4to(UTG) shows [4s,4 :club:,A :club:,K :club:]
Georgi4272(MP) shows [Ah,As,7s,Qs]
Returns 0.54 to lokoboy1(CO)
Me(SB) wins 6.97
Me(SB) wins 0.32
Me(SB) wins 5.54

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Here is answer:
[table]ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
Powered by the Odds Oracle ( http://propokertools.com/odds_oracle )
[/table]
[table=head]Player | Equity | Wins Hi | Ties Hi
2d4d2s6c | 33,5835% | 33,5835% | 0,0000%
Qh8sThKs | 30,1394% | 30,0616% | 0,1573%
4s4cAcKc | 14,2579% | 14,1239% | 0,2698%
AhAs7sQs | 22,0193% | 21,8822% | 0,2761%
[/table]

fast I calculate in my brain that I have around 30% to win here vs all broduey card whitch kill eatch other!

Expect to take some leason form this how important is posision and reads of opponnet.

8/10

Becouse I am good player with less time I use my skill to late reg. I give to oponent 2 h ahead on PLO 3.3$ and put 2 multi reg.

With One I play on final.
Here is my last epic hand.
All opponent are very good player.

Here is the hand:

ReraiseKK(MP) $89858 - VP:17 PFR:6 AF:1.7 W:20|50 STL:33| 3B:0|0 CB:67| N:10336 Hands:47
acvo(CO) $92304 - VP:37 PFR:4 AF:7.0 W:28|63 STL:33|67 3B:0|100 CB:0| N:83644 Hands:73
japingaa(BTN) $72996 - VP:30 PFR:8 AF:3.2 W:39|64 STL:8|40 3B:19| CB:75|67 N:57496 Hands:83
Me(SB) $51080 - VP:22 PFR:8 AF:1.9 W:33|61 STL:19|79 3B:4|20 CB:47|73 N:86355 Hands:468
TOURNYKING(BB) $118401 - VP:58 PFR:15 AF:0.6 W:20|67 STL:14|0 3B:6|0 CB:0|80 N:29515 Hands:55
angrypoisson(UTG) $34361 - VP:27 PFR:13 AF:2.0 W:30|43 STL:25|83 3B:4|50 CB:43|20 N:-57405 Hands:79

Pre Flop: Me(SB) with [6 :diamond:,6 :club:,K :spade:,Q :spade:]
angrypoisson(UTG) folds, ReraiseKK(MP) folds, acvo(CO) folds, japingaa(BTN) calls 2000, Me(SB) calls 1000, TOURNYKING(BB) checks

Flop: (2 :heart:,6 :spade:,K :club:) (3 players)
Me(SB) checks, TOURNYKING(BB) checks, japingaa(BTN) bets 4000, Me(SB) raises 16000, TOURNYKING(BB) folds, japingaa(BTN) calls 12000

Turn: 7 (2 players)
Me(SB) bets 29000, japingaa(BTN) raises 54996, Me(SB) calls 4080

River: (3 :club:)

Final:
japingaa(BTN) shows [K :diamond:,2 :club:,A :club:,2 :diamond:]
Me(SB) shows [6 :diamond:,6 :club:,K :spade:,Q :spade:]
Returns 21916 to japingaa(BTN)
japingaa(BTN) wins 104160

This night I think a lot and decide that I must only pay on flop, pay c-bet (valu-bet) oj turn and fold on river.
I will stay in tournamet and have chance to go upper play - Am I right.

Wait for some expert to answer me is tournament live more valuable or my play is good. Txs

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on flop:
[table]ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
Powered by the Odds Oracle ( http://propokertools.com/odds_oracle )
board: 2♥6♠K♣
[/table]
[table=head]Player | Equity | Wins Hi | Ties Hi
6d6cKsQs | 90,1220% | 90,1220% | 0,0000%
Kd2cAc2d | 9,8780% | 9,8780% | 0,0000%
[/table]

on turn:
[table]ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
Powered by the Odds Oracle ( http://propokertools.com/odds_oracle )
board: 2♥6♠K♣7♣
[/table]
[table=head]Player | Equity | Wins Hi | Ties Hi
6d6cKsQs | 77,5000% | 77,5000% | 0,0000%
Kd2cAc2d | 22,5000% | 22,5000% | 0,0000%
[/table]