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What hand ranges do you generally play?

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Grimmster
Joined: 06.07.2022

I'm fairly new to PLO. I am extremely picky about starting hands. I generally only play 4 cards that are 9 and higher or very strong rundowns (no lower than 5). Although 4 cards 9 or higher are a pretty strong rundown anyway so that's kind of redundant. Of course there are exceptions such as my position, opening action, and players, but generally I only play premium hands. If I get double suited aces or kings I will probably play them regardless of what the other two cards are, though I probably shouldn't. But again, situation-dependent.

I'm wondering what percentage of hands that range corresponds to? Top 10%? Top 5%? I'm weak with statistics but am strong with programming, maybe I will write a brute-force application to calculate it. I'm especially curious about the difference between double-suited, single-suited, and rainbow.

Are there any free Omaha range tools out there, even if they are very basic?

At the games I play it is amazing the garbage that so many people play. It's no wonder some people make so much money.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007

There is thread about practising starting hands and how they rank by Kyyberi: https://www.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=431398

Tool is cheap one to get. Omaha hand rankings are kind of tough to explain in short manner. Important factors are e.g. connectivity, suits and how high they are and of course how big cards are in general. How likely we are entering multiway pots etc.

Very common thing is that people enter pots way too wide preflop. Especially when entering multiway pots our hands should focus on being able to hit nuts or very good hands. Drawing for non nut hand in 4way pot can be very dangerous.


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Grimmster
Joined: 06.07.2022

I've already thrown together a working brute-force app, now trying out various hand ranges. Will post results here as I go. For starters, here are the percentage of hands that are above a rank threshold (suits ignored):

10+ 1.8%
9+ 3.9%
8+ 7.6%
7+ 13.3%
6+ 21.8%


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Grimmster
Joined: 06.07.2022

Rundowns (range of 4)
All cards 10.7%
5+ only 7.4%
6+ only 6.3%
7+ only 5.1%

Rundowns (range of 5)
All cards 18.9%
5+ only 12.5%
6+ only 10.3%
7+ only 8.2%

So yeah, I'm basically playing the top 10% or so of hands, which means like maybe two or three hands per hour. Boring but that's where the profit is. The good thing is most players don't care how tight you are, they will get their stacks in anyway. cha-ching.


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efkay
Joined: 25.03.2005

I think you have already a good rule of thumb to begin with: you look at the value of each card, in relation of positions and actions of other players.

Now loosen up because only 9 or better is too tight. Steal the lower cards but aim for the mid-high cards when you defend your blinds multiway.

Same goes for connectivity: stealing with 2-3 gaps is fine while defending needs way more connectivity to allow a call vs multiple players .

Sometimes you 3bet hands from SB vs BU like AJT7s. Sometimes you decide to gear down and just call in spots when you have xxxy suit.

Another rule of thumb of mine is low cards. While most combos with one low card <5 are fine to play, with two low cards you should gear down again.

You will need some charts or training app to really get close to the optimal play though so you might want to save some time and subscribe to a gto training app

The way you will try it with defining percentages: people did that years ago. The problem is I can define a hand range that fits 10% and it will differ from yours.

Players figured out ranges for that in propokertools and did macros for pokerjuice. You can find those macros for propokertools in the link ghaleon mentioned.

I highly recommend to check that out if you dont want to subscribe to training apps rather than do it on your own.


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Grimmster
Joined: 06.07.2022

Absolutely I will open up my range considerably if it gets folded around to me. But the problem is in the live cash games I play that rarely happens and instead you have three callers to someone that raised pot from early position. This is why I am extremely tight with my starting hands, generally. Likewise, when I am in early position I know there is a good chance it will be at least a 3 way pot, if not more, even if I pot it.


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efkay
Joined: 25.03.2005

I understand: Live games full ring can be pretty boring playing tight agressive. if you consider playing more at least be the guy in position. dont isoraise loose, they still call.

overlimp in position shouldnt be a bad mistake and with very high SPR postflop scenarios you should be able to make good profits by playing postflop.

no matter how good you are, playing loose out of position is way more expensive than opening up IP. doing it OOP multiway is the ultimate fish decision you can make.

if stacks are deeper like 200bb+ and you have position on a deepstack a straddle UTG becomes another way to get into more hands and create 100bb like scenarios where one can stack another.

but obv you should not play all the doublesuit somewhat connected trash multiway like most fish does. being patient especially live is where your edge is generated heavily imo.

last one i have is a personal experience from my days playing live NLH. in my local casino there were not many good players. one of the best I much respected had a massive edge. especially postflop.

I catched him once stealing from MP with 72s. he ended up in a setup, I later chatted with him about the hand and when I asked him about what situations he sees his edge postflop with such a bad hand he just replied: „I dont know, I was simply bored“

So even when he was one of the clear winners, he somewhat crippled his live winrate by being impatient. at least he could afford it :)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

I have moved your question to our Omaha board, because this isn't a hand discussion.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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