is pokerstars is trusted?

dont fall into the trap of thinking that online poker is rigged, it isnt. the majority of players are losing players, thats just the way the poker economy works.

I lost donkament I had 40K chips on with AA to the pre flop all in raiser trying to pick blinds with 52 non suited from the button yesterday.I wouldnt complain if this was the only time this bs happened.In fact I always lose when I move in with superior hand on donkeystars.Semms like real legit poker to me....Should I have folded my aces?Apperently yes thats what the good poker player like you would do.
Update:just lost with my pair of aces to a guy with pair of threys moving all in pre flop- he turned flush-so legit ♦ ♦ ♦

Originally posted by 23devil23

dont fall into the trap of thinking that online poker is rigged, it isnt. the majority of players are losing players, thats just the way the poker economy works.

I lost donkament I had 40K chips on with AA to the pre flop all in raiser trying to pick blinds with 52 non suited from the button yesterday.I wouldnt complain if this was the only time this bs happened.In fact I always lose when I move in with superior hand on donkeystars.Semms like real legit poker to me....Should I have folded my aces?Apperently yes thats what the good poker player like you would do.

Yeah u always loose when move in with the best hand ♦

Just stop playing fish!!!!!

Yeah u always loose when move in with the best hand

Just stop playing fish!!!!!

lol?Just called all in with pocket aces against and lost to a pair of threys- guy turned flush.I suppose you are the classic pokerstars donkey moving all in on pair of sixes running into higher pairs everytime and turning quads afterwards while thinking he is pro grinder... Are you ready for the fapperstars donkament poker? Yes you are-ur probably gonna make the final table everytime, really best donkstars player.Hopefully they are gonna close down the stupid site in Europe aswell soon like they did in USA.

this thread needs some fire

Originally posted by 23devil23

Yeah u always loose when move in with the best hand

Just stop playing fish!!!!!

lol?Just called all in with pocket aces against and lost to a pair of threys- guy turned flush.I suppose you are the classic pokerstars donkey moving all in on pair of sixes running into higher pairs everytime and turning quads afterwards while thinking he is pro grinder... Are you ready for the fapperstars donkament poker? Yes you are-ur probably gonna make the final table everytime, really best donkstars player.Hopefully they are gonna close down the stupid site in Europe aswell soon like they did in USA.

btw moving allin with pair when u r a shortstack in mtt's depending on position is not a bad play but you probably dont know that!

I called u a fish because u whine that someone pushed with pair of 33 and beat your aces.These things happens and if u cant handle them then dont play poker!!!

Just tired of fishes saying that poker is rigged ♠_mad:

Originally posted by RDKNAUF91

Originally posted by 23devil23

Yeah u always loose when move in with the best hand

Just stop playing fish!!!!!

lol?Just called all in with pocket aces against and lost to a pair of threys- guy turned flush.I suppose you are the classic pokerstars donkey moving all in on pair of sixes running into higher pairs everytime and turning quads afterwards while thinking he is pro grinder... Are you ready for the fapperstars donkament poker? Yes you are-ur probably gonna make the final table everytime, really best donkstars player.Hopefully they are gonna close down the stupid site in Europe aswell soon like they did in USA.

btw moving allin with pair when u r a shortstack in mtt's depending on position is not a bad play but you probably dont know that!

I called u a fish because u whine that someone pushed with pair of 33 and beat your aces.These things happens and if u cant handle them then dont play poker!!!

Just tired of fishes saying that poker is rigged ♠_mad:

It happens but it should happen 18 % of times as thats what chance people get against pocket aces tops instead of 85 % which is how commonly you lose with either the kings or the aces or any top hand in general on cockystars.Yeah I have kept track of 70 all in moves- I was favourite to win the pot 55 times-out of these 55 times I lost 39!If it was anything less than 25 I wouldnt really complain but loosing 39 times out of 55 when you are actually favourite to win a hand(sometimes when I moved in on the turn people had only as much as one out and they hitted it on the river) is more than alot and no matter of how good player you may be you cant disprove the facts.Also it happens commonly on donkstars that more people-commonly even like 5-6 get dealt premium hands at same time to create action thats basically what the system does.

70 is not a remotely useful sample size of anything. at all.

stop being a rigtard and get better at poker. if you actually manage that, you'll understand in the future how ridiculous you sound.

I'll stay with my original position - we are poorly evolved pattern seeking mammals. In other words we prefer a bad explanation or conspiracy theory over no theory at all. Since we live in a chaotic Universe that doesn't care about fairness towards individuals, people instead of facing this truism embark themselves on a path towards looking for some other explanation for their misfortunes or luck.

Of course, you can find examples of people claiming all kinds of things. Take religion. People have claimed for centuries that they have seen ghosts, were kidnapped by aliens, witnessed miracles, God talked to them and so on. None of those claims have withstood any meaningful scrutiny and probably never will.

As for this particular discussion - the poker enterprise is just way too big, if there was any reasonable and factual evidence of it someone working in those sites would've leaked it already. You can't contain such a huge "con job" if so many people are involved. Even if they have resources of entire U.S. technological and economical power, they are not capable of containing those secrets as time has proven it time after time after time again. I want to see some real evidence of your claims like a dead alien body but don't direct me to Ghostbusters forum threads.

THIS - so much +1

The fact people can't even express themselves in an intelligent manner and can only come up with the crude "its rigged, JOKERstars hates me", just shows they will never become a good player.

You sir have earned yourself a fan and a friend request.

Well played:)

Z

Originally posted by 23devil23
Yeah I have kept track of 70 all in moves- I was favourite to win the pot 55 times-out of these 55 times I lost 39!If it was anything less than 25 I wouldnt really complain but loosing 39 times out of 55 when you are actually favourite to win a hand(sometimes when I moved in on the turn people had only as much as one out and they hitted it on the river) is more than alot and no matter of how good player you may be you cant disprove the facts.Also it happens commonly on donkstars that more people-commonly even like 5-6 get dealt premium hands at same time to create action thats basically what the system does.

Really? God this is so sad..

If I flip a coin 10 times in a row, and it lands on heads 9 times out of 10, is that strange? No. Is it rigged? No. Its the fact that the universe is a very random place. This stuff happens.

Now if you flipped that coin 1,000,000 times and it landed on heads 900,000 times that WOULD be very strange, highly unlikely, but not impossible. But the law of probability would show over that long of a sample the number would normally be much closer to 50:50.

It's the exact same theory with poker. If you can't take varience and aren't prepared to go with a huge sample before coming on and calling it rigged etc. you should not be playing poker full stop. Especially for real money.

Z

actualy tossing a coin isn't the best example.
try putting coin on some box that opens the bottom and coin falls out. always put the coin with face upwards. try it in closed no win and no other distractions in room.
they coin win land on what side always.

but yea for poker pls don't call something rigged on 70sample... if u can't deal with it then just quit poker.

Online poker is a rigged junk 4 sure. If you want to play poker go to your local casinos and play. In live poker you don't need to play 100k hands then another 200 k hands to have 1 bb/100 hand profit that those scams gives you, other money they take with rake and feed their new depositing and loosing donks.

Why would the site rig the game?

They get paid whoever wins so it is not in their interest to target you as a loser.

Saying that, no game of Poker is 'Fare'! if it was then it would not have half the players it does!

Sometimes it seems the cards are against you and as intellegent beings, we seem to need to rationalise this sequence of 'Bad Beats' and blame some person for it.

Look back over your hands and see how many times you've sucked out a 35% shot. It will be virtually the same % as you've lost a 65% hand.

There is no logic in a site 'rigging' the table (especially after the FT fiasco).

Actualy there are no such thing as randomness in our matrix we are living in ... ♦

Originally posted by QuarkJacks
Actualy there are no such thing as randomness in our matrix we are living in ... ♦

Uh-oh.. Prepare for unintelligent brain meltdowns in 3, 2, 1... ♦ ♦

About the fact that dice is affecte by so many forces that it's impossible for human mind to calculate its result. I like it, I have thinked about it before, and I agree with it. Also I think that it's the same with live poker and card shuffling, were it's up to dealer how many times to shuffle. And it's also impossible for human mind to calculate that.

But what about RNG? How is that not random? If it isn't random, what is it then? No forces is affecting computer's decision - it's completely in vacuum. Isn't it?

i'll point you to this

basically if a poker room was using purely computer-generated "random" numbers, as good as these can be, there'd be some basis for riggedness claims

Why would the site rig the game? They get paid whoever wins so it is not in their interest to target you as a loser.

Yeh, sure. Even zynga poker is rigged mate. yeah that 1 on facabook. http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/pc6j9/iama_former_fulltime_zynga_engineer_quit_6_months/
btw withdrawed today from all rooms and sayed bye to online poker. Made good profit but you know tired to be fooled by those cheaters.

lol there is nothing in that Reddit page that says anything about rigging.

It's a disgruntled ex-employee venting about the company because they are a cloning powerhouse who only care about profits and have an internal hierarchy that reminds him of high school.

Again nothing about it being rigged.

Can you please stop spamming the board now I mean if you're not going to play online poker anymore then just shut up about it! Noone else wants to hear it, go set up a conspiracy theory website and spout your bs but leave Poker Strategy out of it:)

Good day to you!
Z

Can online poker be rigged undetectably (without individual HHs for every player), either to handicap the better players, move S&Gs along and/or to generate "action flops"?

I lost AA<A7 we were AI preflop, bit the flop came like Q83 rainbow, so I'm winning 99.67% of the time in that spot. Anyway turn and river were 7s to give him trip sevens.
The point I'm trying to get across is that this is a sick game and that is why its classed as gambling, because at the end of the day, no matter how much skill we have its still a gamble. Its possible to loose AA< KK < KJ .
I minds to need be so strong to overcome bad luck and bad beats, we have to be so hungry to push through variance its crazy!
So if this sounds like to much of time and effort for you then poker isn't for you! If you think you can sit down for an hour or two everyday and make a living like this then your perseption of professional poker is very skewed!