$0.50/$1 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com
Stacks:
CO ($84.90)
BTN ($90.50)
SB ($128.75)
Hero ($100.00)
Pre-flop: ($1.5, 4 players) Hero is BB Q♣ 2♦
2 folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3.
Flop: J♠ 9♣ J♣ ($8, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5, SB calls $5.
Turn: 3♣ ($18, 2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $14, SB calls $14.
River: Q♦ ($46, 2 players)
SB bets $15, Hero calls $15.
18/14/3
Originally posted by megaB
i think giving up on turn wouldn't be too bad, he can't float such a flop w/ air
of course he can. JJx is most people's favorite board for a bluff
except this is not the usual JJx flop it is JJc9c which is nothing like JJ2 rainbow
he has to have a draw at the minimum
besides, he is floating OOP, so even more likely he has a decent holding
plus hadn't noticed that before, but xylere raised 6x, which is kind of a big raise to call
What did you mean by saying "giving up on turn wouldn't be too bad"
how can I give up on turn, after betting 2 streets, when the scare card comes, thus giving me fold equity + outs
well I am saying a fd is a big part of his range and he is never folding a J on the turn, so I doubt the 3c is really a scare card
he called you on such a flop so I really doubt he has nothing so here the second barrel is questionable I think. I like to two barrel a wet board when I have at least 4 outs(ie at least a gutshot) and here you clearly have at most 3 outs if not already drawing dead
maybe if you wanna rep the flush you should check behind the turn and shove the river, but even then he maybe won't fold a J plus he has a flush very often here given his line
Originally posted by megaB
well I am saying a fd is a big part of his range
Not sure if I understood this, but if he has the FD on the flop (i.e. flush on turn), why would he check/call a flush on a paired board? doesn't make sence... and if he had a 1-card flushdraw, do you really think he'd call the flop with only a backdoor FD?
and:
maybe if you wanna rep the flush you should check behind the turn and shove the river
no. that's not how a flush should be played, so you're not really representing anything
as for the fd is a big part of his range, it was obviously on the flop, meaning he would have hit on turn, and well, why not check it ? I actually think it makes a lot of sense on a paired board but moreso in a blind battle. If he bets he is just folding worse hands and keeping in better flushes or full houses. Someone holding a J would call a turn bet but probably not a river bet as a flush then becomes so obvious. So I think he maximizes his value by check/calling turn and betting/calling river depending on how high his flush is.
what do you think ?
I agree that shoving the river is a bad idea, idk why I said that, though it would definitely be a tough decision for someone holding trips J here wouldn't it ?
I don't see much value in betting the turn again: a FD is a big part of his range and I also think the card typically doesn't help you, so you'll get a lot of calls.
