15$ 45 man FT - T7o

u r ITM right?
u r getting right odds (~2.7:1) to call of with wide range

If BU is not shoving there any 2 then I think it is bad call.
You should get better hand next 6 hands to go with. Especially since you´re at FT it is very likely that MP or SB would loose their stack first or if they are tight then you can shove most hands if they fold to you at SB, BU or CO.

Also against 100% T7o is still behind

Hand Equity Wins Ties
T7 48.59% 15,617,729,056 1,379,853,560
100% 51.41% 16,563,575,784 1,379,853,560
so if I need to call there I would at least choose hand that is ahead, like J7

Hand Equity Wins Ties
J7 50.34% 16,246,356,856 1,298,436,284
100% 49.66% 16,016,365,260 1,298,436,284

best regards.

Originally posted by Kaitz20
If BU is not shoving there any 2 then I think it is bad call.
You should get better hand next 6 hands to go with. Especially since you´re at FT it is very likely that MP or SB would loose their stack first or if they are tight then you can shove most hands if they fold to you at SB, BU or CO.

Also against 100% T7o is still behind

Hand Equity Wins Ties
T7 48.59% 15,617,729,056 1,379,853,560
100% 51.41% 16,563,575,784 1,379,853,560
so if I need to call there I would at least choose hand that is ahead, like J7

Hand Equity Wins Ties
J7 50.34% 16,246,356,856 1,298,436,284
100% 49.66% 16,016,365,260 1,298,436,284

best regards.

u realize that hero need like ~27%-30% to break even and all money r in top 3 + if hero fold this and fold when in SB he will have less then 2bbb?

Yes, this is the problem in this spost. And my question is, do you consider with accuracy ICM in spots like this or you call for example with lower bubble factor(for example 5-6%)?

Originally posted by TheRebuz

Originally posted by Kaitz20
If BU is not shoving there any 2 then I think it is bad call.
You should get better hand next 6 hands to go with. Especially since you´re at FT it is very likely that MP or SB would loose their stack first or if they are tight then you can shove most hands if they fold to you at SB, BU or CO.

Also against 100% T7o is still behind

Hand Equity Wins Ties
T7 48.59% 15,617,729,056 1,379,853,560
100% 51.41% 16,563,575,784 1,379,853,560
so if I need to call there I would at least choose hand that is ahead, like J7

Hand Equity Wins Ties
J7 50.34% 16,246,356,856 1,298,436,284
100% 49.66% 16,016,365,260 1,298,436,284

best regards.

u realize that hero need like ~27%-30% to break even and all money r in top 3 + if hero fold this and fold when in SB he will have less then 2bbb?

I also consider that there 5 other stacks that are at the same similar situation than hero. So if we can find better hand that go with+ always have some fold equity, why should we have to play for out tourney life with T7o?

Sry for the harsh words but
wtf. Your answer might be right but the argument is very poorly
e: If BU pushes any2 its a +1,09% call
If he pushes a little bit over 50% its BE

Originally posted by DasWodka
Sry for the harsh words but
wtf. Your answer might be right but the argument is very poorly
e: If BU pushes any2 its a +1,09% call
If he pushes a little bit over 50% its BE

maybe indeed my argument is wrong, but why should we call basically all-in T7o, if we find likely a lot better hands to double up or take down blinds in next 7 hands.

That case hero should likely have shoved hand before from UTG close to 100% if we´re willing to call shove basically any 2

best regards,

?!? push

Hm I'm not a huge fan of that line of thinking Kaitz20. Maybe last hand we had 32o and decided to make a very easy fold (hell maybe we had 2.5BB and folded 32o). Now next hand we get dealt 32o again and we are now priced in to call, it's all very circumstantial IMO.

Fact of the matter is however it's happened, we have ended up in this situation with our stack size and T7o, now in a vacuum our best play is either to call or fold. How much should we regard ICM tax in this situation? Well we should consider that ICM doesn't factor in the fact we have to pay another 1x SB next hand if we are still in the tournament, and that factor (given our shallow stack) should already account for at least 4% (IMO) of the ICM tax. So I would personally call here despite the steep tax.