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TP ok kicker on turn against fish

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pcbeem
Joined: 16.07.2008

Whilst reviewing I think I might have raised the turn / river?

The BTN who is the original raiser does not show much agression so I guess that he did not hit something so I am up against the SB who is quite loose.

Stats villians:
BTN: VPIP 20 PFR 20 3-bet 0.0 AF 0.0 WTSD 0 and W$SD 0; 10 hands
SB: VPIP 65 PFR 20 3-bet 12.7 AF 2.1 WTSD 45 and W$SD 37; 212 hands

Poker Stars, $0.25/$0.50 Limit Hold'em Cash, 9 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Preflop: Hero is BB with T J
6 folds, BTN raises, SB calls, Hero calls

Flop: (6 SB) 4 2 8 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, BTN calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) T (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, BTN calls

River: (7.5 BB) 3 (3 players)
SB bets, Hero calls, BTN folds

Results:

Spoiler

9.5 BB pot (0.3 BB rake)
Final Board: 4 2 8 T 3
SB showed 9 T and lost (-3.5 BB net)
Hero showed T J and won 9.2 BB (5.7 BB net)
BTN mucked and lost (-2.5 BB net)


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

My thoughts are
Preflop: Fine
Flop: Calling here is not mandatory. The combination of the facts that you may be up against two pair+, you don't close the action, and that the kicker to your overcard is poor, and the backdoor potential is low, makes this call questionable.
Turn: Raise!
River: (As played) Calling, going for an overcall from a worse hand is fine.


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firsttsunami
Joined: 23.01.2006

Sorry pcbeem for the late response but i've been busy with relocating lately.

Preflop given 1:5 Pot Odds its quite Standard. I'd also call T6o, call any suited and fold T5o and worse.

Flop is pretty close between calling and folding. You got 1:7 to call so it means you require 6 outs to your pair and bd-straightdraw. your bd-sd is kinda decent and i'd count the outs with 1 out but to make the call worthwhile, you need 5 remaining outs on T and J and i doubt you'll have 5 outs. your outs will be between 4-5 discounted and you might have heard about implied and reverse implied odds. you have some implieds on your bd-straight but consider well that the chance to hit the bd straight is very small and if you hit Tx or Jx and most of the times you'll hit T or J on the Turn or River and if you raise the turn and bet the river, you might end up being called by a range that more often dominates your hand than vice versa.

reverse implied odds mean that you end up calling down with second best more often than your opponents shows down a worse hands when he follows through.

Its not so drastic in that scenario since BU's Range is wide and when you hit your pair, you'll get another bet off enough draws or Ax hands etc. I think it's a close fold on the flop but its not a big deal to call.

given the turn you should have raised. as i said before, your opponent sensed that you probably both didnt hit the board as some1 would have raised the flop and he can bet J9s QJ Kx :spade: and AJ-AK to make you fold or charge you with weaker draws. so a bunch and enough worse hands he can be betting the turn with that your EQ is well enough to put in a valueraise.

once you didnt raise the turn, the river is a pretty clear call, no matter what card appears.

if you have any further question => dont hesitate!


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