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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

partypoker - $0.04 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 117.75 BB (VPIP: 32.95, PFR: 6.21, 3Bet Preflop: 0.62, Hands: 451)
SB: 46.25 BB (VPIP: 17.90, PFR: 11.40, 3Bet Preflop: 1.86, Hands: 469)
BB: 125.75 BB (VPIP: 25.61, PFR: 4.75, 3Bet Preflop: 1.63, Hands: 1,466)
UTG: 121.5 BB (VPIP: 21.37, PFR: 10.69, 3Bet Preflop: 5.08, Hands: 132)
MP: 73.25 BB (VPIP: 16.70, PFR: 6.20, 3Bet Preflop: 2.00, Hands: 2,215)
Hero (CO): 209.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♦ T♣

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) K♠ K♣ T♥
Hero bets 6 BB, BTN calls 6 BB

Turn: (19.5 BB, 2 players) Q♥
Hero bets 17 BB, BTN calls 17 BB

River: (53.5 BB, 2 players) 9♣
Hero bets 46 BB, BTN raises to 91.75 BB and is all-in, fold

Spoiler

BTN wins 184 BB

is it too nitty? should I expect him to overplay AK, Jx?


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KingKas
Joined: 30.06.2012

Most important in this hand is your opponent, who seems weak passive (assuming by high vpip, low pfr, which usually indicates players who are not very aggressive postflop).

Versus that guy, I think you played it very well and made a good lay down on the river. His river raising range pretty much is KQ,KT,K9. Then it would be an exploitative fold.


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

I dont expext passive fish to bluff, but he could raise worse for value, like Jx


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

He will be calling Jx...


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

Originally posted by nitrol
He will be calling Jx...

How do you know? did you make some database analyses and concluded that fish dont overplay hands such as one hand straights, and that they mostly understand how strong is their hand?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Yes. And how about you?


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

Originally posted by nitrol
Yes. And how about you?

yes, I did a lot of database analyses, and concluded that fish overplay their hands, they dont really understand what hand is good for value raise, and what hand is just a bluff catcher. So I think that fish will value raise Jx hands with some frequency in this spot. Dont forget, fish are all the time on tilt, they are losing tone of money, so they dont think rationally as we now analyse the hand.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Why did you fold then?


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mlatasrb
Joined: 01.04.2012

Originally posted by nitrol
Why did you fold then?

because I make nitty folds when I am unsure. when I play online 4 tables, I cant make clear decisions. But now when I have more time to think, I would call. Still I dont expect it to be super +EV call, but it should be +EV.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

So, talking with me still helped :)


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

idk lets give him all AJ KT KQ K9 QQ (he doesnt seem to like 3betting)

Board: K♠K♣T♥ Q♥ 9♣
       Equity     Win     Tie
CO     48.48%  48.48%   0.00% { TdTc }
BU     51.52%  51.52%   0.00% { QQ, AJs, KQs, KTs-K9s, AJo, KQo, KTo-K9o }

this is better than i thought


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KingKas
Joined: 30.06.2012

Pretty sure 30/6/0.62 will not raise the river with less than a full house.

So mainly this guy seems to be calling to wide. I could expect him to hero call AQ, but I will never expect him to raise light. And just because people are recreational players, doesn't mean they don't see the board is paired.

It's still a fold for me.


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

I have seen similar fish jam equivalent to AJ in spots like this thinking he will get value from Jx.

I doubt he jams Jx, but AJ I think we can put in his range.


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MGELO
Joined: 31.07.2013

because I make nitty folds when I am unsure. when I play online 4 tables, I cant make clear decisions. But now when I have more time to think, I would call. Still I dont expect it to be super +EV call, but it should be +EV.

egree +1 :f_thumbsup:


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uglyboy88
Joined: 19.03.2009

Originally posted by mlatasrb
partypoker - $0.04 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 117.75 BB (VPIP: 32.95, PFR: 6.21, 3Bet Preflop: 0.62, Hands: 451)
SB: 46.25 BB (VPIP: 17.90, PFR: 11.40, 3Bet Preflop: 1.86, Hands: 469)
BB: 125.75 BB (VPIP: 25.61, PFR: 4.75, 3Bet Preflop: 1.63, Hands: 1,466)
UTG: 121.5 BB (VPIP: 21.37, PFR: 10.69, 3Bet Preflop: 5.08, Hands: 132)
MP: 73.25 BB (VPIP: 16.70, PFR: 6.20, 3Bet Preflop: 2.00, Hands: 2,215)
Hero (CO): 209.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has T♦ T♣

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (7.5 BB, 2 players) K♠ K♣ T♥
Hero bets 6 BB, BTN calls 6 BB

Turn: (19.5 BB, 2 players) Q♥
Hero bets 17 BB, BTN calls 17 BB

River: (53.5 BB, 2 players) 9♣
Hero bets 46 BB, BTN raises to 91.75 BB and is all-in, fold

Spoiler

BTN wins 184 BB

is it too nitty? should I expect him to overplay AK, Jx?

basically there is 2 combos you beat like AK, KJ and 2 combos u dont beat like KT (we have blockers) and KQ, sometimes K9, but also opp can overplay his 99, maybe str on the river, depends on opp. I would call


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