KK 4bet shove vs. a fish pf

Standard all in.

Agree.

So why 4betting it to $2.50 is not better? This way we are giving him an opportunity to shove lighter than he calls 100bb with and even if he calls it`s a very low SPR pot and we would just jam against a range that we beat.

Originally posted by excitedpoker
So why 4betting it to $2.50 is not better? This way we are giving him an opportunity to shove lighter than he calls 100bb with and even if he calls it`s a very low SPR pot and we would just jam against a range that we beat.

Others say exactly the oposite...why 4betting to 2,50$ and make it look like a monster instead of jaming and let him do a mistake and call with worse?!

1. You can have a light 4bet range so you don`t turn your hand face up. Against a certain opponents with a huge gap between 3bet range and their 4bet/5bet range over a big sample i would be 4betting 9 10s profitably.
2. Opponents convince themselves they are priced in on a call with marginal holdings they would get sticky with postflop.
3. Example: (If i just shoved he would never call)
Hand converted with online PokerStrategy.com hand converter:

Play hand

$0.02/$0.05 No-Limit Hold'em (8 handed)

Known players:
[tg]BB$6.64:///////;UTG2$5.83:///////;MP1$6.02:///////;MP2 (Hero)$5.07:///////;MP3$4.94:///////;CO$4.27:///////;BU$4.41:///////;SB$4.60:///////;[/tg]

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K:s, K:c.
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, BU raises to $0.25, 2 folds, Hero raises to $0.80, BU calls $0.55.

Flop: ($1.67) 8:d, T:h, 4:h (2 players)
Hero checks, BU bets $0.80, Hero raises to $4.27, BU calls $2.81.

Turn: ($9.55) 3:c (2 players)

River: ($9.55) 5:s (2 players)

Final Pot: $9.55.
Results follow:

Hero shows a pair of kings(K:s K:c).
BU shows a pair of tens(J:h T:c).

Hero wins with a pair of kings(K:s K:c).

If it was just you and one other opponent I like to 4bet to 2.2x roughly to have some bluffs in your range. Although, keep in mind that fish don't even understand this most of the time so it's more important vs regs. However since we get a 3bet caller I just jam here like you did and pray that the fish calls.

vs a fish I think its really bad to just jam here as you lose value from a lot of hands that can call the 4bet and you prevent him from 5bet bluffing.

Would make it like $2.30 or so.