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PokerStars is screwing grinders in the ass harder every day.

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WhiteWalker
Joined: 06.06.2015

Do you not feel that players are adjusting to faster, quicker tournaments and prefer to play games quicker - well the recreational player does which queued the introduction of the spin n go. If after all your earnings come from hunting fish then you should play the games they play and adjust accordingly. In turbo and hyper man structures do you not develop your push fold game more, I am not talking learning nash but learning when to apply and when to limp stab vs a passive opponent, thinking beyond I have 10bb in the SB and have AJ, i'll shove etc. This means your still taking advantage.

I can see your argument for a weekly freeroll. It isn't something you can just fire up over and over and reducing the clock does reduce your ROI over a large sample. I mean hyper players grinding away a 1% ROI over 100k hands compared to normal who can get double figures. In terms of the freeroll it may affect you but recreational players aren't concerned with ROI and therefore would prefer the faster clock if thats what they're after these days.

It is supply and demand I guess, there must be far more recreational players than grinders and as a result your earning potential must be affected, in there eyes anyways. I don't think they're screwing grinders over, I think they are however trying to appeal to a wider audience and griders must adjust. Whatever the optimal way to do that is I am not sure.


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

The bigger change was whe they allowed it for silver star too (or bronze? I forget - was an extra level), adding a lot more entries without increasing prize pool, effectively lowering the Face relative value of the tourney.

So for me in terms of attention invested it became -ev this makes me more likely to play it now really - I stopped after the change. And I got $1400 from it back in the day so it was a sentimental thing for me :)

Unless you play NL5 ish and lower the opportunity cost of adding another table instead of playing the tourney for the extra time you used to spend playing was probably higher than the edge you lose because of the change in structure. So I approve, it sucks for microstakes grinders for which the $3 relative buy in value was significant. (prize pool divided by number of entries = what $ buy-in tourney it is comparatively. If you pass on the structure/softness thingies MTT players use to judge ev of a tourney )


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

From my selfish POV I hope they don't change the monthly one - $11 ish or what the value usually is somewhat still relevant to me. But I am certain that someone who plays NL1k would like it to be a all in shootout.


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Didn't pokerstars bail out all the fulltilt money?
Doesn't it currently support more poker proffesionals than any other site or anything else for that matter?
I mean changing a free roll structure is that really getting screwed in the ass?
At worst its an innappropriate grope of our legs.


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Styr
Joined: 11.03.2009

Stars did bail out all FullTilt customers, yes. That was, however part of the deal, and before Stars was bought up. Nowadays it is less and less poker and more and more lottery by each passing day. Unless you count ALL IN shootouts and antefests as poker.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Good. Freerolls are for recreational players who will win money, lose it, then be encouraged to deposit. Give the grinders as little of an edge as possible; they make enough money. Sites should cater more to recreational players; it's much better overall for the poker economy. If you're a winning player you're a winning player. Losing players shouldn't lose instantly.


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