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(3bet pot) Should i c-bet this flop?

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bonecore
Joined: 02.11.2009

Poker Stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

BTN: $9.37 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 23, 3B: 21, AF: 6.5, Hands: 43
SB: $15.94 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 15, 3B: 6, AF: 2.6, Hands: 3523
BB: $10.58 - VPIP: 15, PFR: 11, 3B: 5, AF: 0.0, Hands: 123
UTG: $10.69 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 8, AF: 3.0, Hands: 888
MP: $8.18 - VPIP: 54, PFR: 14, 3B: 10, AF: 0.7, Hands: 80
Hero (CO): $22.61 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 17, 3B: 6, AF: 2.3, Hands: 107108

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with Q :heart: Q :spade:
UTG raises to $0.30, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.05, 3 folds, UTG calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.25) J :club: A :club: 4 :club: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $1.40, UTG calls $1.40

Turn: ($5.05) 6 :heart: (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($5.05) J :spade: (2 players)
UTG bets $2.55, Hero folds


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bonecore
Joined: 02.11.2009

at that time i was thinking not to cbet but on this monocrome flop i thought i have more fold equity:)

now i think it was spew and we should not cbet this flop because we dont beat anything from his range
what do you think?


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

I'm not cbetting vs. this guy.


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bonecore
Joined: 02.11.2009


ops i didnt see this
also he has a high stab% so i made a horrible play, probably fold the best hand!


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Originally posted by VaskataBuci
I'm not cbetting vs. this guy.

LOL. :mdr:

I would c-bet and if he flats me I would barrel any turn & check back the river, instead of checking the turn. His range is mostly capped after he flats, there's no reason to slow down. He probably ended up bet/folding the river with TT. Turn checks are extremely weak on this board. Perfect board to take your line with AhKc though.


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Originally posted by bonecore

ops i didnt see this
also he has a high stab% so i made a horrible play, probably fold the best hand!

Even without stab or other stats. We have an aggressive opponent who is check/calling on a board where the only non-vulnerable value hand is a flopped flush. I would be expecting him to raise us on the flop, but after he flats he'll almost never have a strong enough holding to withstand pressure.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

this is a pretty bad spot tbh

on cbet, whats your goal? to fold out Ax down the road? or?
if you put any garbage reasonable range in equilab its obvious that this isnt a good flop


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Originally posted by Tomaloc
this is a pretty bad spot tbh

on cbet, whats your goal? to fold out Ax down the road? or?
if you put any garbage reasonable range in equilab its obvious that this isnt a good flop

Equity does not deserve that much importance. Think about your perceived range after you check the flop - you're basically asking your opponent to run you over. Do you think your flop checking range can withstand a double-barrel on non-club run-outs?

Probably not.

We don't want to willingly cap ourselves IP. That's like cuffing yourself before the police have even caught up to you. Ax is hardly in villain's flop check/calling range, and the Ax which are check/calling the flop are vulnerable to bets on non-club run-outs. If he had a strong enough holding he wanted to protect, he would've protected it. If he ends up playing AhKc or AhTc this way and calls us down then good for him. We have a fairly aggressive opponent here so I'm expecting a 4bet OOP if he had AKo. We have the PFR checking to us at a lower limit - this is a clear bet. Most regs at lower limits are not effectively defending their checks in this situation.


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Tomaloc
Joined: 17.01.2011

do you realize hero is the preflop aggressor


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Originally posted by Tomaloc
do you realize hero is the preflop aggressor

woops, you're right.


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double2
Joined: 04.11.2008