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Two 3 bet pot where I'm lost

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Polezi
Joined: 13.08.2009

First Hand

Villain is 29/25 fold to 3b 40 Fold To CB IP 20 (71 hands)

What's the best line?

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $10.50 (105 bb)
BB: $24.40 (244 bb)
UTG: $19.89 (198.9 bb)
MP: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $4.55 (45.5 bb)
BTN: $12.49 (124.9 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q A
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.20, Hero raises to $0.70, BB folds, BTN calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) 9 4 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.71, BTN calls $0.71

Turn: ($2.92) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.70, Hero folds

Results:

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$2.92 pot ($0.13 rake)
Final Board: 9 4 7 3
Hero mucked Q A and lost (-$1.41 net)
BTN mucked and won $2.79 ($1.38 net)

Hand 2

Villian : VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 7,F3b 29 OpenRaise CO 32 AF: 2,0, Hands: 198
Fold CB IP 50

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

Hero (SB): $12.33 (123.3 bb)
BB: $14.34 (143.4 bb)
UTG: $23.83 (238.3 bb)
MP: $12.22 (122.2 bb)
CO: $20.36 (203.6 bb)
BTN: $10 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A T
2 folds, CO raises to $0.30, BTN folds, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, CO calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.10) Q 4 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $1, CO calls $1

Turn: ($4.10) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks

River: ($4.10) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $2.15, Hero folds

Results:

Spoiler

$4.10 pot ($0.18 rake)
Final Board: Q 4 3 8 6
Hero mucked A T and lost (-$2 net)
CO mucked and won $3.92 ($1.92 net)


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

First of all I have moved you’re hands to the hand discussion forum, because it’s fits better there.

First hand a Cbet will be thin against someone that doesn’t like to fold on Cbets on a low sample so far. If I Cbet I would make a little bit more than half pot.

Second hand a 3bet will be thin, because this is a 3bet bluff I think and based on his stats he don’t like to fold on 3bets. I would make the nitty approach as cash game fish and fold right away.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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Alleen86
Joined: 27.05.2010

Hand #1 I don't like cbetting with just an overcards. Would be better if we would have at least some backdoor draw.

Hand #2 I would fold this hand as a default, and especially when the player doesn't fold to 3bets.


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vuciitis
Joined: 19.02.2011

If u dont like 3bet pots oop, then dont 3bet in first place. Its not a mistake to flat aq pre ,)


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Dadramel
Joined: 10.08.2014

#1 You should't have betted since the board does not provide any folding eq


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Lathdari
Joined: 07.10.2014

First hand, PF is fine, I don't like the cbet: I doubt the villain folds anything better or calls anything worse. I'd either x/f or x/c depending on how frequently the villain bets following a missed cbet.

Second hand is well played I think, except the cbet should be a little bigger. If he ORs 32% and only folds 29% to a 3-bet, he must be calling you with a wide variety of hands, many of which should fold to your cbet on such a flop (particularly as you have A♦ ). After failing with two bluffs, I think you are correct to give up, even though he could be on a busted draw here.


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

#1 was ok played imo. Flop cbet is debatable but it's not very bad. This board might be good for barreling 2 streets?

#2 I don't like the 3bet because it is a bluff and villain doesn't fold to 3bets according to his stats.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

#1 - Flop cbet is burning money. Why do we cbet with our hand vs a villain that do not fold that much?
#2 - This hand is ok.


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