Pocket 10s v fairly tight player

Bet turn , theres A and two flush draws out there that could call , and i would bet a little bit bigger on river around 1.6-2$

Originally posted by Aerox232
Bet turn , theres A and two flush draws out there that could call , and i would bet a little bit bigger on river around 1.6-2$

And on turn also we want build pot, and dont want to let him draw for free.

I'm not sure if it's good to cbet flop vs multiple opponents. We have to bet turn to protect our hand.

Originally posted by Aerox232

Originally posted by Aerox232
Bet turn , theres A and two flush draws out there that could call , and i would bet a little bit bigger on river around 1.6-2$

And on turn also we want build pot, and dont want to let him draw for free.

Originally posted by la55i
I'm not sure if it's good to cbet flop vs multiple opponents. We have to bet turn to protect our hand.

Thanks guys. Yea I thought that about the cbet on the flop la55i. What you both said about betting the turn makes so much sense. Don't know why I played it like I did. I'm such a fish! Haha!

Very bad cbet mw on this board, x/f on the flop.

As played, you must bet OTT. Is our plan to x/r turn? If it is then it's a bad plan, he will fold almost all Ax and continue with some draws, which would call anyway if you bet and with such line you actually tell your opponent that you have a monster, so it's easier for him to make less mistakes, when your range is face up.

As played, bet around 2-2,3$ OTR.

Originally posted by LuckyManFromLT
Very bad cbet mw on this board, x/f on the flop.

As played, you must bet OTT. Is our plan to x/r turn? If it is then it's a bad plan, he will fold almost all Ax and continue with some draws, which would call anyway if you bet and with such line you actually tell your opponent that you have a monster, so it's easier for him to make less mistakes, when your range is face up.

As played, bet around 2-2,3$ OTR.

Thanks LuckyMan

Yea as I said before, I thought I got lucky on the flop cbet, plays like that will cost me more often than not. Yea, that was the plan on the turn 😩, I can see now why I have to be betting there! Thanks again!

The thing is, you have a value hand there, but not strong enough to bet into 2 people. So i would check, sometimes they check behind. But the CO callt, so at least he has Ax or draws, so bet you valuehand. Always bet your valuehand. You make money by betting your valuehands!!!!

Thanks for the advice zoty! I'll remember it goin forward!

I've posted alot of similar hands there and the suggestion was always to check the flop, so I agree with checking the flop. We don't have a value hand multy-way and we don't have much fold equity, either. So, check/folding would be the best most often.

Chicking flop is right as we cannot make better hands fold.Betting turn is vital for your win rate. You have the best hand most of the time and you have to build the pot and make villain pay.

Very bad cbet mw on this board, x/f on the flop.

why?

I am cbeting this. THis is similar to this hand, except that there is fd.
https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=294607&hilightuser=SPeedFANat1c

The reason - there are hands which high high equity vs our hand like KQ, QJ which most likely will fold which is good for us. Of course our hand is very weak in 3way pot, but in the example hand it was even 4way pot.

I put CO on range:

and see that he hit top pair or FD not very often and with other hands he will not be able to play easily.

BB range

still has top pair + not too often. Just not sure now how to think with both players. Sum the probabilieties? But still its about 30-40 % summed up. Other they will fold or call with weaker hands and draws.

We will take pot decent amount of time I guess. After we get called - in multiway if not hit - x/f , because then more likely they have Ax and draws when betting. I mean in multiway its very high chance that they hit when not give up flop.

Nothingis folding that much on Axx board. Many players attack this board 100% of the time and many ilke to call for that particular reason.

Check-fold > Bet > Check-call on the flop.

But betting is not hopeless, and obviously you don't bet to make better hands fold, or even worse hands call. You bet to possibly take it down right away or magically hit your 2-outer. You want to know something about the button (preferably he is weak-tight) to do this.

Check/fold or check/call flop. As played, you are doing the exact opposite thing you should do - you improve your hand to set, and you check?? There you should be betting and getting value from worse hands.

Even as played, bigger bet on river. Now you lost tons of value.

Also, remember to buy max buy-in before flop.

What is the rationale for check-calling? There are several threads on the same theme where 100% of the posting coaches say check-call is the worst option in comparable spots. Bluff catching/floating OOP 3-handed?

Originally posted by YohanN7
What is the rationale for check-calling? There are several threads on the same theme where 100% of the posting coaches say check-call is the worst option in comparable spots. Bluff catching/floating OOP 3-handed?

My only reasons for that would be, that we could still be ahead and take one bullet, as it's quite rare that these guys are firing 2 bluffs after multiway flop.

xc may be only possible as we hold 2ndP.But xf is option too.

Originally posted by CPallo

Originally posted by YohanN7
What is the rationale for check-calling? There are several threads on the same theme where 100% of the posting coaches say check-call is the worst option in comparable spots. Bluff catching/floating OOP 3-handed?

My only reasons for that would be, that we could still be ahead and take one bullet, as it's quite rare that these guys are firing 2 bluffs after multiway flop.

Okay, I can accept the qualitative reasoning, we probably just don't agree on the numbers:)
I'd rather bet, primarily to get position. It costs the same, but the rest of the hand is much easier if the player behind folds (if he doesn't, we are done).