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NL20 Speed - Optimal river line with trips?

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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

I would not just call, so u cant squeeze _tongue:


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by kriko92

Originally posted by Afulibador
Man, this looks like a good draw on this flop from bu...

This is a strange assumption. The last thing I'd put in his range is a strong draw, these either call or raise big. When he minraises he has mostly Qx, rarely sets and very rarely middle pairs. I agree with metza about river donk.

I mde this assumption cause this sizing doest make any sense for any kind of made hand.
Made hands would raise bigger for protection. If he is not protecting, he can have a draw himself.

This is partially true. Some recreational villains like to raise small their strong handscause they do not want to scare you and make you fold. Which is funny, tho. :)
Not to mention BU here has a lot, a lot of hands combinations...
This make even these low cards a drawy board to him.

Mmm, you are exagerating already. Fish does not think the way we do. If it was the opposite...it doesnot sound good for us. :)


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Afulibador
I would not just call, so u cant squeeze _tongue:

Once you suggest letting the hand to happen with a call, now you are not going to just call...
Your credability is low at the moment...


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by metza
I think we should value 3bet pre here vs utg fish.

Missed that info. 3bet pre seems to be a way better option them.

I changed my mind after that. If u are reading this topic, u should already know that.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by nitrol
Mmm, you are exagerating already. Fish does not think the way we do. If it was the opposite...it doesnot sound good for us. :)
Whith a 2.5x raise from a fish and a call, bu range here can be elastic as hell.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by metza
I think we should value 3bet pre here vs utg fish.

Missed that info. 3bet pre seems to be a way better option them.

I changed my mind after that. If u are reading this topic, u should already know that.

Useless to follow your analysis then. Sorry.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by Afulibador

Originally posted by nitrol
Mmm, you are exagerating already. Fish does not think the way we do. If it was the opposite...it doesnot sound good for us. :)
Whith a 2.5x raise from a fish and a call, bu range here can be elastic as hell.

Do not speak about things you do not understand. I will not ask you to show me that range as you will be afraid to do it. :)


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Its not useless... and I made it as my best guess at the time a wrote.
I just dont think I m the best of all that I can never change the way I look to something.
That is being humble, nitrol.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

And I m not afraid of doing ranges. But I just do when I think its relevant for what we are discussing.
In the case of bu, all sc are there and one or two gaps also.


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MJPerry
Joined: 03.10.2011

Originally posted by nitrol

Originally posted by MJPerry
Yeah I don't know why I didn't 3bet, I think I just auto-piloted and saw "UTG raise" rather than "UTG raise from weak player". That was a mistake.

What sort of hands do you think we target with a small river bet?

JJ, TT, Qx.

Come on he's not minraising flop with JJ/TT.


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Afulibador
Joined: 21.08.2009

Originally posted by MJPerry
Come on he's not minraising flop with JJ/TT.

Dont make sense for me either.


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metza
Joined: 28.01.2012

omfg this spam wars in the hand discussions is getting insufferable. It's somehow gotten worse even when its not strictly about post count anymore?

It was me who suggested river donk and to answer someones sizing question I think like 5.50 is fine. I think given villains flop and turn sizings he has KQ/QJ more often than any other hands and will check em back.


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