Skip to forum
Search
Forums
Poker Strategy and ...
No Limit
Hand discussions fo...
FR, pocket pair vs ...
 
Notifications
Clear all

FR, pocket pair vs river bet

 
Hand discussions for No Limit
Last Post by nitrol 10 years ago
14 Posts
6 Users
0 Reactions
1,428 Views
RSS
Zanardi1
Zanardi1
Joined: 04.01.2010
Posts: 674
28.02.2016, 15:24

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 8 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $0.74 (37 bb)
BB: $2.06 (103 bb)
UTG+2: $2.03 (101.5 bb)
MP1: $3.80 (190 bb)
MP2: $0.84 (42 bb)
MP3: $5.87 (293.5 bb)
Hero (CO): $2.18 (109 bb)
BTN: $2.06 (103 bb)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 9
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, BTN calls $0.06, SB calls $0.05, BB calls $0.04

Flop: ($0.24) T K J (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($0.24) 2 (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($0.24) 3 (4 players)
SB bets $0.06, BB folds, Hero calls $0.06, BTN folds

Results:

Spoiler

$0.36 pot ($0.01 rake)
Final Board: T K J 2 3
SB showed 7 J and won $0.35 ($0.23 net)
BB mucked and lost (-$0.06 net)
Hero mucked 9 9 and lost (-$0.12 net)
BTN mucked and lost (-$0.06 net)

Villain is 41/9 from 54 hands, 1.2 AF.

The hand plays pretty much itself. I am curious if my river call (bluff catch attempt because :Kx: , :Tx: or :Jx: would have bet a long time ago) is correct or not :)


Reply
Quote
13 replies
nitrol
nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010
Posts: 11,244
28.02.2016, 15:38

Not calling this river when mw. Everyone of villains may have got somethingfrom the board...


Reply
Quote
vonki
vonki
Joined: 18.03.2008
Posts: 5,206
28.02.2016, 15:41

Tx def doesnt bet until river. Jx will also delay until river in 4way pot. Some might even delay some Kx til river. Just don't see a lot of attempts to bluff the river at this sizing at the river in FR in a 4way pot. I'd personally not make the call, without additional info. In a heads up pot I might call. 3way can go either way. 4way, I just fold.


Private coaching with vonki NL2-NL16
My bankroll challenge! NL2-NL50 6-max

Reply
Quote
la55i
la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013
Posts: 8,896
28.02.2016, 16:46

We are multiway. Passive fish can easily have weak Tx,Jx,Kx. I think folding is better but calling 1/4 pot bet is not a big mistake imo.


Blog :spade: Private Coaching :spade: Website

Reply
Quote
Zanardi1
Zanardi1
Joined: 04.01.2010
Posts: 674
28.02.2016, 19:37

Of course I'd fold to a bigger bet size (like 1/3 or more) here.


Reply
Quote
marsa08
marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014
Posts: 654
28.02.2016, 20:51

This is a fold. What hands do you beat?


Reply
Quote
Zanardi1
Zanardi1
Joined: 04.01.2010
Posts: 674
29.02.2016, 09:40

Lower pocket pairs that reached the river and, for some reason, thought they are the best here, given the fact that the hand was checked down.


Reply
Quote
nitrol
nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010
Posts: 11,244
29.02.2016, 10:52

With Jx and Tx possible, that can play this way, I am not calling.


Reply
Quote
la55i
la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013
Posts: 8,896
29.02.2016, 14:42

I don't think it is very bad to call. Of course villain has a lot of Tx,Jx hands here but to call 1/4 pot bet we have to be right 16% of the time. I can see villain doing this with weaker pocket pairs or random A-high sometimes.


Blog :spade: Private Coaching :spade: Website

Reply
Quote
krasops
krasops
Joined: 02.02.2014
Posts: 117
29.02.2016, 14:56

with this action and size we loosing almost 100% ... not the best bluff catcher.. prefer something like in QT

small hand to worry but cant blame u calling ....


Reply
Quote
la55i
la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013
Posts: 8,896
29.02.2016, 14:59

Originally posted by krasops
with this action and size we loosing almost 100% ...

Well I have been in similar spots where fish did this with J-high just because no one was interested in the pot. I wouldn't say we will lose almost 100%.


Blog :spade: Private Coaching :spade: Website

Reply
Quote
krasops
krasops
Joined: 02.02.2014
Posts: 117
29.02.2016, 15:15

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by krasops
with this action and size we loosing almost 100% ...

Well I have been in similar spots where fish did this with J-high just because no one was interested in the pot. I wouldn't say we will lose almost 100%.

i would say it's 90% for 6 max and 99.99 for 9 max :)


Reply
Quote
nitrol
nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010
Posts: 11,244
29.02.2016, 16:18

Originally posted by la55i
I don't think it is very bad to call. Of course villain has a lot of Tx,Jx hands here but to call 1/4 pot bet we have to be right 16% of the time. I can see villain doing this with weaker pocket pairs or random A-high sometimes.

We should be calling stronger bluffcatchers.


Reply
Quote
nitrol
nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010
Posts: 11,244
29.02.2016, 16:19

Originally posted by krasops

Originally posted by la55i

Originally posted by krasops
with this action and size we loosing almost 100% ...

Well I have been in similar spots where fish did this with J-high just because no one was interested in the pot. I wouldn't say we will lose almost 100%.

i would say it's 90% for 6 max and 99.99 for 9 max :)
Not that much, actually. If we call we should make a note.


Reply
Quote
Forum Jump:
  Previous Topic
Next Topic