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QQ vs limper facing raise on flop

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AXSPIRAL
Joined: 06.03.2011

Hey guys, here's the hand.
Poker Stars $2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2887765
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Hero (BTN): $2.00 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 2,2, Hands: 64836
SB: $2.97 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 17, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 6
BB: $2.41 - VPIP: 8, PFR: 8, 3B: 14, AF: 0,0, Hands: 25
UTG: $2.02 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 15, 3B: 0, AF: 1,1, Hands: 79
MP: $0.74 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 33, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 6
CO: $1.60 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 2,0, Hands: 21

Pre Flop: ($0.03) Hero is BTN with Q :spade: Q :club:
2 folds, CO calls $0.02, Hero raises to $0.08, 2 folds, CO calls $0.06

Flop: ($0.19) 5 :diamond: 7 :heart: 3 :diamond: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $0.10, CO raises to $0.48, Hero raises to $1.92, CO calls $1.04 all in

Turn: ($3.23) K :heart: (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($3.23) K :club: (2 players - 1 is all in)

My thoughts: not a nice spot. his bet is huge and looks strong, yet he wasnt 100bb and looks rather like a fish so i thought he may have some bluffs in his range, some top pair with some flush / backdoor flushdraws. I didnt really like calling because there is alot of turncards i dont wanna see and if he then continues betting i am in a ugly spot. the problem though im running into sets most of the time when i get raised on the flop... but i dont really wanna fold my overpairs so quickly to a simple raise.. what do you guys think?


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Bet bigger otf like 0.14 against a fish. If played like this I would do the same. He can do that with worse overpairs, fd-s, maybe a strong 7x.


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marsa08
Joined: 30.01.2014

I think that villains range is weighted torwards smaller pocket pairs because he limped preflop. I think that he would open raise JJ+ and not limp them.

Cbet 70% of pot to get more value from draws+ smaller pairs as you are ahead often.

I'm not sure if I like that shove.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I would just call on flop, not shove.


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VaskataBuci
Joined: 08.08.2011

Originally posted by nitrol
I would just call on flop, not shove.

No. Why? Villain has 0.56 left behind, why not take those if he has for example 88 or 87 and A falls on river?


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krasops
Joined: 02.02.2014

bad board for a limp/call range on co .... favour fish a lot... and when he x/raises it's kind of tricky with QQ...\
I would just call flop and calldown in safe turns/rivers.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

Originally posted by VaskataBuci

Originally posted by nitrol
I would just call on flop, not shove.

No. Why? Villain has 0.56 left behind, why not take those if he has for example 88 or 87 and A falls on river?

Villain has 1.04 left...


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Yes and the pot is 1.15. So why not shove if we won't fold ott on blanks, we assume that our opponent is a fish so he won't fold fd-s or overpairs or maybe 7x-s (we still going to go AI against better hands ott), and he is not too big fish to raise airs otf?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

To let him bet himself with his JJ-88.


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But he won't fold them otf imo


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

He may fold some vs a shove.


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AXSPIRAL
Joined: 06.03.2011

well so what i read out here so far is that noone would fold on the flop right? So the question is if calling and then deciding new on the turn card? or shoving so we dont have a difficult decision on the turn?


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

What difficult decision?


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Kev43
Joined: 30.07.2010

Bet bigger.
I wouldn't be shocked if you decided to fold flop tbh. This is a very good flop for his limp / call range (for all we know 64 is part of it).
I prefer the call though (in case we're against 88-JJ). Villain looking like a fish, he's not going to shove turn even with SPR < 1, which means we're calling twice. I think I'd call down if the turn is not a :diamond:.

Call > fold > 3bet ?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

This flop hits limp/call range hard. Villain has draws, straight,2pair and sets here. He could also raise with overpairs etc.. I would not shove here. I would just call down to keep his range wider because he might fold something to our shove.


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