For me the avg fold to 3bet is 47.5%.
That seems quite low imo. I always see guys with super hight fold to 3bet. Well maybe those fish who never fold make that lower. HUD is great here since we know vs who we can 3bet a lot.
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BTW this is weird.
Vs 4bet fold 18.7%
Vs 4bet call 18%
Vs 4bet raise 8.2%
First of all, imo those can't be right. And what about the rest 55%?
Originally posted by marsa08
Originally posted by la55i
Originally posted by marsa08
Originally posted by Calsaj
What would you suppose population F3B is at 5NL? I was thinking super low, like <50%, there's no way it's anywhere close to autoprofit from my experience so far. Limp-fold has to be really low as well, could be wrong.
Hi!
Went trough my database; 684 729 hands at nl4-nl5 AVG. fold to 3bet is 41%
HM2 or PT4? How do you check villains avg fold to 3bet? I want to check it too
In hem2 opponents-> summaries and then just filter for stakes if you play many.
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Originally posted by marsa08
Originally posted by nitrol
Hi!
Went trough my database; 684 729 hands at nl4-nl5 AVG. fold to 3bet is 41%
Which poker rooms you play?
I dont want to tell ♦
Don't be shy. I play in PokerStars.
Originally posted by la55i
BTW this is weird.
Vs 4bet fold 18.7%
Vs 4bet call 18%
Vs 4bet raise 8.2%First of all, imo those can't be right. And what about the rest 55%?
Something is wrong, yeah...
I am afraid that my interest in 6-bet-folding preflop and the like is about zero. But I can point out what I perceive as flaws. 3-betting A♦:T♦: is on the loose side. There is nothing wrong with that, but you should 3-bet much smaller if you consistently go wide. The idea is to outplay him postflop, using your position and initiative.
Secondly, rundown equities are nearly useless, at the very least overused. With ATs, you'll rarely win big pots when you hit normally (A or T). The hand is generically dominated. (This is again why you'd prefer to raise small and steal small pots on the flop with small bets if you insist to 3-bet.) Fold to that 4-bet.
One piece of advice: Contrary to what people like to say, the preflop decision is the least important decision you make when playing a hand (unless you are brain-dead and play 72o for a big raise). All later decisions are for bigger money, the later in the pot, the bigger. Fact of life, rarely recognized in the days of the 4-bet bluff preflop ranges. NL cash game is an entirely different ballpark than SnG. Deep stack, it isn't remotely the same as 30bb stacks (or whatever) clashing in the middle stages of Sit&Go.
Originally posted by YohanN7
One piece of advice: Contrary to what people like to say, the preflop decision is the least important decision you make when playing a hand (unless you are brain-dead and play 72o for a big raise). All later decisions are for bigger money, the later in the pot, the bigger.
This is true if we are very good at playing postflop. But I would say for beginners pre flop is very important too. By playing pre flop correctly we prevent ourselves from making big mistakes post flop.
Originally posted by la55i
Originally posted by YohanN7
One piece of advice: Contrary to what people like to say, the preflop decision is the least important decision you make when playing a hand (unless you are brain-dead and play 72o for a big raise). All later decisions are for bigger money, the later in the pot, the bigger.
This is true if we are very good at playing postflop. But I would say for beginners pre flop is very important too. By playing pre flop correctly we prevent ourselves from making big mistakes post flop.
This is why we should strive after becoming good postflop fast. A "reasonable" (far from perfect, but non-losing) preflop strategy can be learnt in 10 minutes. Postflop takes a little bit longer:)
Originally posted by la55i
Originally posted by YohanN7
One piece of advice: Contrary to what people like to say, the preflop decision is the least important decision you make when playing a hand (unless you are brain-dead and play 72o for a big raise). All later decisions are for bigger money, the later in the pot, the bigger.
This is true if we are very good at playing postflop. But I would say for beginners pre flop is very important too. By playing pre flop correctly we prevent ourselves from making big mistakes post flop.
Totally agree. When we do not make loose decisions preflop we spare ourselves the big money errors postflop.
I would recommend learning postflop play before playing HU SNGs ♦
Unless you don't mind losing a lot while learning how to play.
It is true but what is the point in playing them if you can't play postflop. Postflop play is very important at those and if you can't do it you'll just lose and it gets frustrating.
I get what you mean. But if you are a millionaire and starting to learn poker, NL100 is not that big and you can play it comfortably, but should you start learning poker by playing NL100 where it is a lot more difficult than at NL2?
Originally posted by marsa08
You can't lose much by playing 0,2$ or 0,5$ HU sng;s
It is a different game. A lot of pushes that you won't see much in cash games.
When low on chips you play different too...
Originally posted by nitrol
Originally posted by marsa08
You can't lose much by playing 0,2$ or 0,5$ HU sng;sIt is a different game. A lot of pushes that you won't see much in cash games.
When low on chips you play different too...
Deserves emphasis. A SnG player (like OP ITT) most definitely not needs or should play HU SnG to learn 6-handed cash game.
Originally posted by la55i
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..., f you are a millionaire and starting to learn poker, NL100 is not that big and you can play it comfortably, but should you start learning poker by playing NL100 where it is a lot more difficult than at NL2?
I started out playing much higher than this (years ago) - live versus mostly professionals. It does save time, and $100 does not buy you a nice diner including wine in my country. At least, do not think about bringing a date. What I did learn (quickly, but note nearly quickly enough) was that playing a solid tight preflop game takes you nowhere at best. If you 3-bet high pairs, then the profs can take a quick glance at the flop and conclude that either you can be bluffed out or that you will go broke on the flop with your overpair versus their 2 pair+. (Yes, they'll know which applies, they are pro's and can judge by recent events if you feel like getting your money in or if you are cautious). Soon I dropped the tight strategy, and way no longer easy prey. (Prey, yes, but not that easy ♦).