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Banktewn
Joined: 28.04.2012

PokerStars - $0.05 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 221.8 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 13.46, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 53)
BB: 204.6 BB (VPIP: 37.50, PFR: 37.50, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)
UTG: 103.8 BB (VPIP: 25.64, PFR: 18.97, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 203)
Hero (MP): 224.8 BB
CO: 47 BB (VPIP: 28.57, PFR: 28.57, 3Bet Preflop: 20.00, Hands: 7)

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has J♠ J♦

fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, BTN calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (10.4 BB, 3 players) 6♥ 7♥ 4♠
Hero bets 7 BB, CO calls 7 BB, fold

Turn: (24.4 BB, 2 players) 4♦
Hero bets 15.4 BB, fold

Hero wins 23.4 BB

preflop: standard raise
flop: I dont think 85 would have called me preflop and QQ,KK,AA would have 3bet so i bet for value with the plan of calling if i get 3bet (is this ok? since there are a lot of draws that would be 3betting here)
turn:4 I feel this doesnt change anything because 4x would not have reached to this point. (maybe A4? probably not though) and given that he didnt 3bet me preflop on such a wet board i dont put him on a set so i bet for value again vs some smaller overpairs or top pairs.

this is probably a stupid hand to post but i want to get some inputs if im approaching the thought process in a decent manner. I just recently moved up to nl5 ( )

Anyway some questions:
1. if he had 3bet me on the turn here is it ok to call? I dont see what has changed since the flop and since i had the plan to call a 3bet OTF i guess it would be ok to call one OTT aswell? (assuming he didnt 3bet me on the flop and only did so on the turn)
2. If he did 3bet on the turn what line should i take on the river assuming it didnt finish any draws or isnt a scare card? x/c?


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I like the way you played this hand.

If you get raised OTT, you can fold.
It is not the same thing if villain raises OTF or OTT so even if you could call OTF, you can't call OTT.


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nitrol
Joined: 24.07.2010

I like it as played.
If he raises turn, you can fold, following Baluga.
Second question will not happen as we would fold on turn vs a raise.


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Hesticus
Joined: 24.06.2008

We cannot call vs aggression here OTT

Further, hand is well played IMO


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

It is okay, but as pointed out, flop raises and turn raises are different animals. Also, JJ is on the borderline of being callable to even a flop raise, and the size of the flop raise should dictate what to do. (Call reasonable raises.) Not all people raise flop with their draws, especially not weaker ones with one guy left to speak (they want him in to increase implied odds). Most people do however raise their sets on this board (now they really want BU out).


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