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TPGK VS large reraise on turn

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MiMach96
Joined: 23.08.2017

Hey guys! This is my first post on here, and I hope you can give me some better insights in this hand I played yesterday.

We were playing a three-handed home game (live) and I was already deep since 2players busted and decided to quit for the day.
"We just play for fun", and only 1 other person seems to actively try to get better. He sits on the big blind and is a fairly agressive player. I think his online play is better than mine (his winrate says so), but often enough I beat him live.
(EDIT: this player limps aces/kings often preflop, but he does this wanting to reraise most of the time.)

So.. the hand:
Hero (button) chips: 250bb
sb chips: 80bb
bb chips: 170bb

Hero cards Q♥: T♥:

Preflop:
Hero raises 3x bb (I know they call almost every hand to defend their blinds and often check on the big blind. I raised just not to narrow my range to marginal hands)
sb calls
bb calls
pot: 9bb

flop: 7♠: 3♥: 4♣:
sb checks
bb checks
hero raises 6bb (I cbet to steal the pot, since two checks on such a dry board seems really weak)
sb calls
bb calls (Strange, 2 calls.. I thought they probably just didn't believe me and called with A or even K high or a straight draw with a pair/backdoor flushdraw, I'm ready to let the hand go on a turn raise)
pot: 27bb

turn: T♠:
sb checks
bb checks
hero bets 20bb (my thinking: The turn card was great, Top pair and fairly good kicker would do the job on this board for sure! I didn't want to give them any free cards so I polarised my range by betting this big)
sb quickly folds
bb thinks for a while, builds a pile of chips next to him, thinks again, and raises to 80bb!

Hero thinks for a long time, He knew it didnt make any sense on this board. I know the bb is an agressive player who overbets the pot sometimes, but i've never seen him 3bet bluff so large ever before. Since I polarised my range, i found it really odd I was facing a 3bet that large. I explained my thinking out loud and told him I was gonna fold or all-in. He could have me beat with JJ QQ KK AA, sets and 56 for the straight, but would he be betting them like this? I don't think he could have a double pair since he had to call with a very marginal holding, but he COULD be defending his bb very wide (as he often does). I Thought for a very long time and folded.
bb shows A6o and takes the pot.

I FELT MISERABLE!! I just can't get the hand out of my mind, I knew it didnt make any sence but yet i folded. What do you guys think about this one? How do you approach a situation like this?


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008

On the flop, we are playing against 2 players on a coordinated board with 2 over cards and I would just check behind. No need to bluff, because I don’t think you get both players to fold.

As played I would bet the turn as well with top pair and now the BB is committing himself with a raise (2bet) and that looks strong to me and I would just give up. We have only a bluff catching hand and I don’t think he will bluff here.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I agree that OTF you don't have to cbet and as played betting the turn and folding vs the raise would be a good line.

I'm not sure if my answer will be any good. This is live game so the dynamics are different than online. You are also playing with 3 players who are recreational and playing just for fun. This means that pretty much anything is possible.


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MiMach96
Joined: 23.08.2017

Thanks for replying!
I agree that I would be in a easier spot if I just checked the flop.

And yes, we are recreational players, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't try to take the best line possible.
For some reason I still feel that, as played, a reshove would be the best play on the long run, but I just don't know how to figure this out for sure.

If he had me beat...
JJ+
After I thought about the hand some more I realised he wouldn't be reraising his JJ+ like this. He probably will just call, and if he decided to reraise he would make it at least a pinch smaller. He also wouldn't check two streets with an overpair (definitely not with JJ).
Double pair
If he called a marginal hand because of pot odds, he still could have me beat with a double pair. 73 / 74 / 34 seem unlikely to call preflop but not impossible. They would however check the flop often. And because I had cbet, they would indeed reraise.
He could also be holding a 4T / 3T / 7T, but the 7T would bet the flop almost always.
Set
The set is another possibility. The check on the flop makes sense holding a set, and the check on the turn aswell as he wants me to bluff raise. But with TT he would reraise preflop, and with 44/33 there's a big chance he would aswell (I know he does this often).

Sooooo the only hands that had me beat and made sense are:
73
74
AA (with a cold call and a check OTF?)
33
44

I know it is pretty unlikely he has me beat,
but is it likely he bluffs this spot?
Should I think that: if he can't have it often, he has to be bluffing too often because he is a recreational (wanting to improve) and probably doesn't balance his bluffs right?

Do you think I'm completely off here and I should always fold as played?
I still think it's a really hard decision and I would like to know what goes behind the answer.

What if my opponent was the best player in the world, what would change?


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zednik44
Joined: 17.08.2017

I think your thinking that their two checks on the flop are weak is slightly off. After all you were the pre flop raiser and they are out of position. Checking to the raiser in that spot would be standard for them if they had air, draws and potentially even sets I think. As for when they call your cbet it's hard to say really in these types of home games people wanna feel like they are playing and chasing etc :) I.e they could be floating with air or weak made hands


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YohanN7
Joined: 15.06.2009

Your opponent is entitled to make a good play once in a while. The meta-gaming is entirely up to you, and nobody here is going to advice you to move AI here with TP and shitty kicker.

Also, you should be aware that that deep, and live against aggressive players, that flop is far from dry. In the live games I play, I'd include the possibility that BB had 73o when 170 bb deep. BB would know that I know he could play that. He could also try to bluff me off a hand because I know this. He knows I know that too. This is where poker begins to get fun:D


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