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JJ Fold to Donk after Ace on the River

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DedoMassivo
Joined: 01.03.2017

Hey everybody!

So I have this hand against a fish without any previous story between us.

PokerStars - €0.02 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

UTG: 100 BB
CO: 73 BB
Hero (BTN): 218.5 BB
SB: 427 BB
BB: 123.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has J♦: J♠:
fold, CO calls 1 BB, Hero raises to 4 BB, fold, fold, CO calls 3 BB

I think Preflop is rather standard, I raise to Iso and gain some info if he 3bets or even calls.

Flop : (9.5 BB, 2 players) 2♥: 8♦: 8♠:
CO checks, Hero bets 4.5 BB, CO calls 4.5 BB

An OK flop for Jacks, I think he will be folding many times with non Pairs and non Ace Highs, which he will be paying me at least a bet. So this bet is for value and information.

Turn : (18.5 BB, 2 players) 3♥:
CO bets 1 BB, Hero raises to 8 BB, CO calls 7 BB

He leads 1 BB, I find that almost irrelevant as a lot of people in NL2 do this kind of min bets. I raise for value as I think he will be paying, as the noob he is, with some Aces, such as AK, AQ, AJ, and Pocket Pairs. Now that I think about the min bet it could indicate that he as hit his set of 3s and bets for "value" but it is very unlikely as there are only 3 combos of that, opposite to a lot of Aces.

River : (34.5 BB, 2 players) A♣:
CO bets 14 BB, ???

He hits his ace I was putting him on and I am beaten, is this actually a good card as it prevents me from paying to a set or a three-of-a-kind of 8s? I know I have some pretty nice pot odds but I don't see many bluffs in his "fishy" style even though I have not much info as sample size is too small. What do you guys think, good fold or too nitty? Did I spew some BB with my raises?

Spoiler

fold

CO wins 33 BB

Cheers!

DedoMassivo


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insomnia666
Joined: 31.07.2010

22, 33, 8x, Ahxh, 44, 55, 66, 77 and some very stupid hands. You will be very surprised sometime, if you start to call vs this line. They use the Ace very often. "He don't have an Ace", "He will fold everytime". And they do this even with hands with good SD value. Because they can't call anymore. At least in their eyes.
Not a happy call ofc.


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Varune
Joined: 24.04.2009

Like hand till the turn, could've raise a bit bigger there, but this is fine too.

I'm just calling these stupid lines on the river, he's just clicking buttons and can have all sorts of stuff. You don't block any backdoor hearts. You only have to be good ~22% of the time or so, so it's a whatever spot imo.


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Titan8
Joined: 18.02.2014

Hi,
I play flop and turn like you (prefer bigger sizing OTT) but river is call for me. He has only heart Ax hands here and still can have lower pocket pairs or random stuff. I put him on PPs mainly, because it makes sense to bet for protection OTR (ofc in his eyes). Ace on river is scary card for his 77-QQ (I think KK+ should 3bet or sometimes he can hold worse PP). So he bet for protection with this sizing. And he still can have missed FD and trying bluff.
I agree, it is not very happy call but I dont think he can call twice just with A high. Sometimes he shows 8x, sometimes AhXh, sometimes set but with this odds you can call.


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pdfbq
Joined: 23.05.2008

Same here, bet bigger turn 3/4 pot.
Many times these type of players do indeed bluff the river like that.

If I would call *or* fold depending on what I have seen doing him before (without seeing his cards, but the line min -> min -> half or more).
Without any info at all I would fold I think. You'll get him next time :)


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DedoMassivo
Joined: 01.03.2017

Thank you for you feedback!

Good luck!

DedoMassivo


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la55i
Joined: 27.01.2013

I think the hand is played pretty ok. No matter if you call or fold OTR. I don't think he would call flop and turn with many Ax hands. When he call call donks it looks super strong and could be 22,33, 8x but then again these guys can have something very stupid also. Because the bet size is so small I think you can just call this.


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