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AQs TPTK vs 3 barrel

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Dandiiik
Joined: 19.07.2009

Hi. Villain is 20/16/16 after 50 hands.

Pre - I think standard call. AQs beats his 3betting range. It is too strong for 4bet bluff and too weak to shove it.
Flop, Turn - TPTK on a decent board. I think that calling 2 barrels is standard. Or is it?
River - here is where I have a problem. I feel like folding is too weak but from my experience, 3 barrels are just too strong most of the time on NL2. Hes got AA, KK, QQ in his range. Also AQ. But also for instance suited aces in diamonds as a bluff. But I dont believe that players on NL2 are capable of 3 barreling as a bluff often enough.

Poker Stars, $0.01/$0.02 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $2.02 (101 bb)
BB: $3.47 (173.5 bb)
MP: $4.89 (244.5 bb)
CO: $2 (100 bb)
Hero (BTN): $4.28 (214 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with A♠: Q♠:
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.06, SB raises to $0.20, BB folds, Hero calls $0.14

Flop: ($0.42) Q♦: 8♥: 6♦: (2 players)
SB bets $0.27, Hero calls $0.27

Turn: ($0.96) 4♣: (2 players)
SB bets $0.62, Hero calls $0.62

River: ($2.20) T♠: (2 players)
SB bets $0.93 and is all-in, Hero folds

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Results: $2.20 pot ($0.08 rake)
Final Board: Q♦: 8♥: 6♦: 4♣: T♠:
SB mucked and won $2.12 ($1.03 net)
Hero mucked A♠: Q♠: and lost (-$1.09 net)


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xxnub
Joined: 04.12.2007

I think yo should give up on turn if you do not want to go all the way. Is there a river card that you would call 3rd barrel? If answer is no than I think you should give up on turn?


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Dandiiik, hello,
I visited your blog here and like a lot, congrats!

In my mind would be better this line:
Pre - I would 4bet here since the villain attributed to you a wider range moreover he could polarize his 3bet range and be playing in re-steal.
Furthermore, you will have a chance to win the pot right now or if he calls has a better understanding of this capped range. Of course, 5bet would fold.

Post flop: as played you had shown him that you had a good hand but not a stronger one to support the pressure of a 2 barrels/shove. He was committed to the pot and within his shove he needed you fold 1 in 2.3 times.

50 hands aren't enough to have a good read about 3bet and re-steal range!

Another way is to think about: What range the villain should have to 3 barrels and put all money all-in @river? JJ+, AQ+ ----> TT I excluded the range because he'll not invest to much money into.

You were losing just for AA, KK n QQ and you were blocking A/Q. Just 15% of his initial range combos were ahead.
Because of that, I consider: He had a polarized range for re-steal or something like AK and played in bluff this hand and as you won't fold till turn he goes broke. Or he'd an AQ and was a tie.


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MatoStar
Joined: 22.07.2017

Personally I would light 4bet preflop around 2.2x and fold to 5bet.
In this spot what would you call on 3barrel? Just twopairs+? You should defend x% of your range - depends on his sizing bet (for example on pot bet you should defend 50%of your range) so play in equilab with these sizings and then just post the results what you should defend on 3barrel.
As played I would call down, because his value range is just AA-QQ,QTs,88, but also KQs,KQo, sometimes QJ and busted flashdraws,AK.. and as mentioned if you want to fold R, don't make a call OTT.


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Dandiiik
Joined: 19.07.2009

Hi guys, thank you for your opinions and in Arnalsan´s case even quite a detailed analysis. Hope you will enjoy my blog :f_thumbsup:

I am not sure I agree with 4betting preflop in this spot. I have more suitable hands for that in my range such as A9s-A2s or maybe AT-AJo. I believe that AQs is just too strong to 4bet. I am in position and it is a BB vs BU situation so I should beat his range with my call. I would 4bet for value with QQ+ and AK. That is 2,5% range. So the other 2,5% to make it balanced I would 4bet bluff A9s-A2s. They have monster potential, block premium hands and are not strong enough to call. Villains 3bet stat after 50 hands is not relevant of course. The only thing I know is that he does 3bet sometimes so I would play against him as an average NL2 reg.

Post flop. OTR the thing is what his 3rd barrel range is. I think I have value OTF and OTT since he has those bluffs such as AK or the hands he 3bet bluffed in his range. But 3rd barrel is just way too strong for TPTK to be good enough on NL2. Without further reads I decided to fold because I just dont believe that NL2 regs are capable of 3barrel bluffing enough (math aside).


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Ok, good answer and the discussion is in high level. Would be great if coaches can passing by and comment to help us.

If I don't follow the 4bet preflop I would plan my hand:
What hands are you expect to improve your hand in this spot against villains range? Just above 2 pairs? But if the 3bettor range was too strong any A that hit the board will give him a better hand than yours! There were little combos that will help you post flop.
The best option would fold to turn aggression


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Fanko
Joined: 24.08.2010

It is a pretty mundane call actually BTN vs SB. The option to 4bet/fold is the worst. If you 4bet, you call the push.


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LemOn36
Joined: 07.02.2009

I wouldn't be able to get away from this
Probably would shove turn myself with how little he left himself behind there

But you know your thinking is great that you should fold a lot on rivers at NL2
This is just an unique spot because of the sizes and busted draws he can have +steal spot


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Originally posted by Fanko
It is a pretty mundane call actually BTN vs SB. The option to 4bet/fold is the worst. If you 4bet, you call the push.

Hero lost in this hand -1,09
With 4bet/fold he'll be lost something around 0,70 regardless the chance of villain fold and he won the pot right now.


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Fanko
Joined: 24.08.2010

4bet/fold AQs SB vs BTN is a huge leak that will cost you tons of money. The hand is too good to turn into a bluff.

It is not important that he lost the hand, it is that the hand was played suboptimally in my opinion.


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