TT on the Co against button 3bet

You are right the river Q is a disastrous card for you so it becomes a clear fold. It's hard to call 3 barrels with TT on most runouts anyway. Some would even fold on the turn here I imagine.

It's hard to believe the Q on the river would help him much, but his range is to often hands like 88, QQ+ to make a call profitable and the turn call seems already tricky without reads on him.

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Imo hard to see villain barrel a random Qx in a 3bet pot on this board? The Q didn't help us but did it really help villain either?

I would still be tempted to call OTT but OTR gets difficult. He has JJ+ in his range, could have some Qx hands too maybe. But then some bluffs could be possible, or then he might overplay some 8x hands or 99 or something like that. TT is also probably the top of our range here?

However, I still think villain looks quite strong and he doesn't bluff that often in this situation. Folding might just be the best option

For me this river bet looks more like bluff than overplayed 99 or 8x or any lower pp. Anyway I don't have much experience here but I expect that if he has SD value he won't strike on the river. When I was thinking about his range and way of playing this hand... It's close, I wish that he had a bluff there, maybe not so much because of money lost but information what he playing like that. And it happened. He had if I remember well AQo.

His line looks like 99+ imo.
Pre flop 3bet and 3barrels is extremely strong.
You have a full house, so this is a tough spot. Not sure what to do.

Originally posted by la55i
Imo hard to see villain barrel a random Qx in a 3bet pot on this board? The Q didn't help us but did it really help villain either?

I'd totally see QJ, QK and maybe even AQ barrel here. Those are the most natural bluffs, moreover with us blocking Tx.
(AK would be stupid but possible with them, AJ too.)
That's why the Q is the worst of news for us as now we are behind nearly everything except AK-AJ or the rares AT-KT-QT-JT-T9 that we block.
And would someone really 3 barrel AK on this river ?

You are probably right. So even if TT is the top of our range, we should just fold because we very likely are totally destroyed?

TT isn't even the top of our range. We should have JJ, probably even QQ at NL5 most of the time (as they don't 3bet enough BU vs CO), maybe AsQs and KsQs (we might still call those or not on that bad turn, rightly or wrongly so), and maybe 88 slowplayed.
On the other hand once on the river we don't have that many hands worse than TT. 99, some 8x,...
I can let go on TT and sleep on it. And yes more generally speaking 3 barrelled 3bet pots are supposed to be typical spots where we can overfold at micros against most of the field.

I do agree with the overfold. I think we could sometimes have JJ too here, although I probably wouldn't have it that often. But calling that 3bet from BTN with QQ?

If I have enough stats I'd of course do what my HUD tells me to. But without infos I'd tend to not 4bet QQ at micros as the field is still really nitty 3bet wise especially on pokerstars.
That's why I hate playing below NL25.