AKo vs izo raise

Flop board is so dry. I know SB is the place where you 3bet the most, but a cbet here won't hurt you.
You check turn again and that clearly indicates weakness. OOP you are basically giving up on the hand.
Your hand looks exactly like a missed Ax, Kx. You have some suited combos in your range, but the board doesn't favor them.
With a triple check OTR he can bet any two that you will fold. You can't even represent a monster slowplay here imo. Just TT and that's very unlikely, you'll bet OTR with them.
Resuming, I think a cbet OTF makes all the difference on how you will be perceived for the rest of the hand.

Yeah 1/3 on that flop please. If only not to look so face up on AK ^^

And what about c/c turn and c/c river?

So you mean c-bet flop and c/c turn?

Originally posted by Willy411
And what about c/c turn and c/c river?
So you mean c-bet flop and c/c turn?

Check-call that river with A high would be really... weird. Catching bluffs with A high is a move you should do when you know extremely well your opponents (on this board, there are boards like JJ TT 3, your ace could be could for instance in some spots).
Cbet OTF and bet again OTT. There's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
Maybe on higher limits check-call OTT to exploit floaters, but forget about it at NL5. Even with TPTK I don't know if you should do it.
In this board I think you can even throw the 3rd barrel. A small bet is going to get called by some JJ, QQ, maybe 99 a decent amount of the times. If you get raised, well you can fold I think.

I mean.. AK si perfect for as hand with SD value. If I shouldn't c-bet all my range, so which other hand should I c/c or c/f? if it makes sence

Originally posted by Willy411
I mean.. AK si perfect for as hand with SD value. If I shouldn't c-bet all my range, so which other hand should I c/c or c/f? if it makes sence

Hum yeah good question, but shouldn't you cbet all your range on that texture though ? You have quite the range advantage and the nut advantage here.
If you have to check some then AK should probably be into it indeed though.

Okey. So you c-bet in this 3bet spots like 90 % of time? - suppose like 1/3 sizing. And started from turn you play polarized?

Yep.

You are representing a very strong hand pre, so i would CBet the flop.

and OTT? cause very often I will go check.. So I think, we have to go c/c on most cards... I can not just fit or fold, right?

I'm still unsure about how we should approach this hand.

Would we cbet that flop for value or as a bluff?

If it's for value, are we trying to extract value from what? AQ? KQ?

If it's a bluff, which hands IP would fold for a 1 or 2 barrel on that board? Small pocket pairs? If we are targetting something like JJ or 99-88, shouldn't we continue 2nd barrelling the turn only if it is a high card, Q-A? If it's mostly a blank, should we prepare for a 3rd barrel or simply given up?

Originally posted by Willy411
and OTT? cause very often I will go check.. So I think, we have to go c/c on most cards... I can not just fit or fold, right?

Often in this type of spot you can choose between either slowing down and check/call on the turn or going all the way and 3barrel bluff with your AK. It's not bad as you are blocking AT-KT and beside Tx villain is quite capped but of course it's the dangerous road.
What would be the worst is to only 2ba AK and give up. You need to really turn it into a bluff or not at all if you want to play on its showdown value. Bet/bet/check would be the best way to give a medium pot to 99.

@pguest :
don't worry too much about value and bluff on the flop. Flop is supposed to be way less polarized and more complicated than that.
Better than "for value" and "for bluff", think about "making the pot bigger in case we win" and "denying equity in villain's range" as the 2 usual reasons for betting.
It's more subtle but also more clear in a way and the 2 reasons are now totally compatible to explain good semi-bluff moves whereas the old value or bluff theory was bound to find those incoherent.

Often in this type of spot you can choose between either slowing down and check/call on the turn or going all the way and 3barrel bluff with your AK. It's not bad as you are blocking AT-KT and beside Tx villain is quite capped but of course it's the dangerous road.

Good! Okey, I understand. So which range I would use for 3baller.. Ok. My SD value will be away, so I choose hands according to blockers? - it means KQ (blocsk KT, QT), QJs, J9s..?

Better than "for value" and "for bluff", think about "making the pot bigger in case we win" and "denying equity in villain's range" as the 2 usual reasons for betting.

It is bad type of thinking??! I think this style too explain it please more

Originally posted by Willy411
Good! Okey, I understand. So which range I would use for 3baller.. Ok. My SD value will be away, so I choose hands according to blockers? - it means KQ (blocsk KT, QT), QJs, J9s..?

Depends on what you can expect to accomplish against your villain. On such a blank turn a big part of your flop cbetting range will be stark naked and it's gonna make for way too many pure bluffs to be balanced with. But still you could have a good overbluffing spot against some.

Originally posted by Willy411
It is bad type of thinking??! I think this style too explain it please more

Not bad per se but it doesn't apply everywhere so it can easily become misleading. Value and bluff works best on the river when your range is at its most polarized or else it truely works only with your top and bottom range (that make for nearly pure value and pure bluff). Pretty much everything in between goes into the grey area of the semi-bluffing zone. When you bet a draw, is it for value or for bluff ?
(Note that any hand is kind of a draw before the river.)

Just cbet 80% pot on the flop. You'll never get floated, you'll never get bluff raised + you have equity vs 44-JJ, which won't raise.

Vs an unknown in a no information spot, you'll exploit them hardcore cause they'll overfold & under-raise.

All this strategy is gto based (with airquotes) but why should we care about a balanced approach?

Just take the highest EV option and care about balance when you think there's need for balance.

Also, for beginners, it makes turns super easy to play.

Continue on J Q, check on all other cards. ( a Q or J both gives you equity, and simultaneously reduces your opponents JTs and QTs combos)

Like really, fuck gto! (Vs 80% pot gto would continue 60% of their range & raise part of that range, I think no opponent in a no info spot continues more often than 40% of the time, we would be printing)

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