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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

pin % Go/SNG, 3 handed, 1 place paid.
Starts with 3 players, all have 15000.

We are now HU
HERO BTN has 10bb
Openshove 58%

BB with 20bb
Call 38%.

If we change stacks to
BTN 20bb
BB 10bb

it stays the same. BTN pushes 58% and BB defends 38%.
So the position is more relevant than the stackdepths.


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

Spin & Go/SNG, 3 handed, 1 place paid.
Starts with 3 players, all have 15000.

We are now HU

HERO BTN has 6bb
Openshove 63%

BB has 12bb
Defend 44%

HERO BTN has 5bb
Openshove 72%

So approximately with 1bb less, you shove 10% more.

BB with 12bb
Defend 61%.


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

I had some results from my studies.
Won 4 spin & Go's.
Ended 4th of 23 in a MTT EU 5 Anniversary Unibet.

At the moment I am studying with the ICM trainer from pokerstrategy.
And studying the 9-Man SNG video from Collin Moshman.

The article from Barry about asymmetric risk is quite interesting. That good investors look for opportunities where the results can be much bigger than the invested amount at risk.


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

I finished the video from Collin Moshman about Low Stakes 9Man SNG Range analysis.
I learned that I can openraise the best pocketpairs and the best Aces instead of openshove them.

Also when I turn as SB-prf-aggressor a 2ndPair I can check to the BB-floater to induce his bet.
And then xshove, because the vast majority of the time we will have the best hand with our 2ndPair.

I plan to play a live TN in the casino next week. I study with the ICM trainer.


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

I practiced with the ICM trainer situations that we are with 7 players.
We have about the same stacks 15 - 20 bb and there is an early openshove.

We are in middle position, so there are 4 or 5 players behind us to act.
We call the openshove VERY TIGHT.

Only good pocketpairs and the best aces.

Depending on the exact situation 99+, TT+ or JJ+ or QQ+.
And also depending on the situation AKs or AK or AQs or AQo+ or AJs.

So with 15 - 20bb we don't call an openshove with for example KQs or A9s.
Neither with 22 - 77.


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

Yesterday I went to the Casino and inscribed for the TN next Tuesday.

Are you joining me and we make it a Pokerstrategy Meet-Up tournament :f_grin:

First 3 levels are unlimited rebuys, so I think those levels will be quite loose aggressive.

I practiced with the ICM trainer situations that we are with 6 players.
We are the small stack with 2 - 6 bb and there is an early openshove.

We are in middle position, so there are 3 or 4 players behind us to act.
We call the openshove tight. Only pockets and good Aces.

With 5 bb we call 88+, AK and AQs.

With 3 bb we call 66+, AQ and AJs and depending on the exact situation 55.
And also depending on the situation AJo and ATs.

With 2bb we call wider.

But beware that even if we have only a few bb left and we are in middle position, never call 22, 33, Kx, Qx and lower when there is an all-in.


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

I practiced with the ICM trainer situations that we are with 4 players.
We are the small stack with 2 - 6 bb and there is an openshove before us.

We can be on BTN and there are 2 players behind us to act.

When we are on SB only BB is behind us to act. If it is BTN that openshoves, we can call 20%- 70%, all pairs, all aces and good BrBr.
If it is CO that openshoves, we call tighter.

ICMtrainer gives also the situation that we are on BB.
If BTN openshoves with 3bb we call about 60%.
But with still 5 - 6bb we call much tighter, until only 10%.

If CO openshoves with 3bb we call 60%.
With 4bb only 20%.

So beware that 1bb difference has a very big influence on your callrange.

Versus a SB openshove we call very wide.
Grosso modo 50%.

In each spot always consider:
Is it the earliest position that openshoves?
The earlier the openshover, the tighter you call.

How many bb do I have? The more bb you still have, the tighter you call an openshove.

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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

Now the situation that we are first to act.
We are with 4 players.
We are the small stack with 2 - 6 bb.

On SB we shove ANY TWO

On CO we openshove about 30%:
all pairs, all suited aces, A4o+ or all offsuited aces
offsuited Br with Tkicker
suited K with 5kicker
suited Q and J with Tkicker

T7s+
97s+
86s+
76s

On BTN with 5bb we openshove 30%.

With 3bb it is 45%:
all pairs, all aces,
all suited Kings
K4o+
Q3s+
Q8o+
J5s+
J9o+

T6s+
T8o+
96s+
98o

85s+
75s+
64s+
54s


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

4 players.
Again the situation that we are first to act, but now we are big stack. 40 - 50bb. Early position
The others have 20 - 30bb.

On SB we shove ANY TWO

On CO we openshove about 30 - 40%
All pairs
All Aces
All suited Kings (not always the lowest, f.e. when the stacks behind you are 30bb)
K6o+
Q4s+
etc

In the video from Collin Moshman we learn that with a big enough stack we don't openshove our strongest hands. So for example JJ+ we openraise to 2.5bb.
I think this is something that the ICMtrainer doesn't teach us.

On BTN we openshove about 40 - 60%
All pairs
All Aces
All Kings
etc


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

Now there are only 3 players left
We are first to act, big stack. 60 - 70bb. Early position, so BTN or SB.
The others have 30 - 40bb.

On SB it is NOT anymore ANY TWO!
Maybe ranges become tighter because of the payjump? You prefer that one of the 2 others bust.
Normally with fewer players, ranges become wider.
Now your pushranges is 50 - 75%.
All pairs, Aces, all Kings and suited Queens and Jacks etc.

Watch how much bigger your stack is and the bigger it is compared to BB, the wider you can shove.

On BTN we openshove much tighter than that we were with 4 players.
Now it is only 20% - 30%!!

All pairs
Suited Aces
A8o+
Suited broadways with 8-kicker
For offsuited broadways we need T-kicker or J-kicker!


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

3 players
A player before us shoves all in.
We have big stack. 60 - 70bb. Were are SB or BB.
The others have 30 - 40bb.

Even that we are big stack, it is a very tight call range , 3 - 12 %.
88+
AJ+

Offsuited Aces less than T-kicker: never

Suited Kings less than J-kicker: never

Q offsuited never

Very seldom QJs and QTs and JTs


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bookai
Joined: 13.02.2012

Originally posted by adelaar
In the video from Collin Moshman we learn that with a big enough stack we don't openshove our strongest hands. So for example JJ+ we openraise to 2.5bb.
I think this is something that the ICMtrainer doesn't teach us.

It is known. It only tells you if openshoving a certain hand is profitable or not and does not consider any other action than folding/pushing.


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

Thanks Bookai. Do you use HRC besides ICMizer?
What are the possibilities in HRC?


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

Tuesday 16th April Casino Breda
I finished 14th of 31.
It was a TN with shallow stacks.

At my table was playing David Kahan who won the Belgian Championship in Spa on 15th April.

As often in a TN I did not have many playable hands.
x) I won KJ BB on Kxx Kx
x) I lost AJo BB vs K7o CO (Kahan) who turned a 7
x) I won with a cbet on xxx flop with pocket JJ BTN
x) I called 55 in a MW-pot, but didn't hit and folded on flop
x) I called AKo in a MW-pot, but didn't hit and folded on flop
(with shallow stacks no use to iso/sqeese AK, bc you have to play for stacks at once)
x) I won a flip with 66 vs Ax
x) I lost a flip with AQ BB vs K2o UTG (5bb) who flopped a K
x) I lost my last bb with A2 BB vs 44 BTN

It was a nice fun evening. Next time better results.

What went well:
focus
not talk too much
counting stacks
paying attention to the moves the other players make

What can be improved:
betsizes
not acting immediately when it is my turn, but thinking a few seconds. So that I don't give off tells.


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JCSeerup
Joined: 14.12.2010

Originally posted by adelaar
Tuesday 16th April Casino Breda
I finished 14th of 31.
It was a TN with shallow stacks.

At my table was playing David Kahan who won the Belgian Championship in Spa on 15th April.

As often in a TN I did not have many playable hands.
x) I won KJ BB on Kxx Kx
x) I lost AJo BB vs K7o CO (Kahan) who turned a 7
x) I won with a cbet on xxx flop with pocket JJ BTN
x) I called 55 in a MW-pot, but didn't hit and folded on flop
x) I called AKo in a MW-pot, but didn't hit and folded on flop
(with shallow stacks no use to iso/sqeese AK, bc you have to play for stacks at once)

x) I won a flip with 66 vs Ax
x) I lost a flip with AQ BB vs K2o UTG (5bb) who flopped a K
x) I lost my last bb with A2 BB vs 44 BTN

It was a nice fun evening. Next time better results.

What went well:
focus
not talk too much
counting stacks
paying attention to the moves the other players make

What can be improved:
betsizes
not acting immediately when it is my turn, but thinking a few seconds. So that I don't give off tells.

When shallow I would definitely shove AK. Without checking all the numbers I would say it has higher equity in all-in pots than medium PP's when called and it really doesn't play that well in multi-way pots, especially AKo.

Also not sure how not talking at the table is a goal, I would try to give off the vibe that you are just there to have fun.


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

Hi JC,
For me it is better not to talk too much, because it decreases the focus on the game. For me it is better to pay attention to all the moves and sizes, than have a fun conversation.
My natural behavior is that I talk quite much, so I always have to be aware of myself and stay quiet.
My goal is to finish in the money and take a TN down.

Do you play live TN also? What are your goals?


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

Tomorrow I will play a 20EU MTT live TN in Turnhout. It is a deepstack TN and I think we will be with about 80 - 100 players.

Startstack: 30.000
Levels: 30 minutes

If we will be with 80 players there will be 2.400 000 chips in play.

Today I repeated some situations in ICMtrainer.


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

20EU MTT live TN in Turnhout

I finished 18th of 63. There were 8 places paid.
Tables were mostly 7 or 8 handed.
I played from 12.15 h - 18.30 h

It was funny that I earned the most chips with 42o BB! It was a MW limped pot and the flop was
428. I betted 3/4 with 2Pair and got called by TP with 8x.

4 so I got the FH and he paid me again 3/4 with TP 8

x, a blank on the river and I betted about 60% and he paid me off again!
This opponent I certainly have to remember for the next time I will meet him at the tables. He gave me 3 streets of value with his TP on a paired board.

With this hand I approximately doubled my stack.

x) I openraise ATo UTG+1 and only BB calls.
xxx and I skip cbet.
T and BB leads out for 1/2 and I raise 3times and he folds.

x) I iso-raise JJ CO versus 2 limpers and 1 limper calls
Qxx and I cbet and he folds.

x) I openraise 55 MP and SB, who is a good reg, 3bets 3times.
He was big stack and because he is also a quite aggressive player, no need to call. I folded and he showed AA.

x) I call 77 in a MW-pot and miss and fold.

x) I iso-raise AKo versus 1 limper.
Kxx and I bet 3/4 and he folds.

x) I openraise 66 MP and BB calls with 5x.
K5x and he donks 80%. I fold. He shows his hand, so I folded the best hand.
This is a very loose quite aggressive opponent.
Next time when he does this, maybe just call once and evaluate on the turn.
Because he is so loose, he plays 50-60% of all hands, he is very hard to read.

x) And then the hand that was unfortunate and that I misplayed,
We where with about 27 players on 3 tables and I had a bit more than average stack. So no need to spew money.
I openraise KQo CO and a player that just arrived at our table calls 22 on BB.
xxx and I cbet 60 -70%.
I didn't know this opponent and unfortunately he appeared to be a sticky callstation, so in this spot there was no need to bluffbet, because this sticky one will not fold.
x and I 2ndbarrel 50% and he calls again.
2 and I check behind and he takes the pot.

This stupid hand costed me half of my stack and it was a mistake versus this sticky opponent that called 2 quite big barrels with UP 22.
I was angry and left the table for a few minutes to regain my mindset.

x) Further I was carddead and blinded out. Last hand all in with 3bb with 66 and a big stack on BB called with KTo. He hits his T and I was out.

What went well:
Focus was quite good and not too much talk
Counting the pot and counting a good percentage to bet
Calculating how much bb I still had
Taking note of the stacks of the others

What can be improved:
Versus sticky callstations it is better to play a kind of bingo. Bluffs and semibluffs are not working very well.
Not only calculating a percentage of the pot, but also calculating how much my bet is in percentages of my stack.

At the end of the day it was the usual disappointment. I have had my chances in this TN, but as often, just 1 misplayed hand and it is over.


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

Tomorrow I will play a 20EU MTT live TN in Turnhout. I think we will be with about 60 - 80 players.

Startstack: 100.000
Levels: 15 minutes

If we will be with 70 players there will be 7.000 000 chips in play.
I will accumulate them all (this is my intention).

I have to learn how to play when I am bigstack. Although putting more pressure, I have to be careful not to spew my stack away like last TN.

Do you know quantum-thinking? A quantum is a small entity. A small entity can have enormous powerful effects. A small step in your conscience can change your direction and can generate creative solutions. So my intention is very important.
Daniel Negreanu also had each day intentions as he told in his vlogs last summer.


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adelaar
Joined: 25.10.2013

Worksheet for this evening

Bluff-x-raise on dry board
Bluff-raise on dry board

2ndbarrel bluff 110% to fold out 1Pairhands that BB can have

Look for bluffspots if flop is checked around

Optimize betsize valuebets

Deduct if an opponent can have a certain combo at the turn or river; would he have proceeded with that combo on the flop?

Versus tight opponent: blufraise the river if he never can have 2Pair and you know that he will fold 1Pair-hands

It is not about how hard I can hit, but about how hard I can be hit and still can keep moving forwards.


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