NL16 6Max, JJ on BTN, is the shove plus EV?

 I vote for the shove

Pre ok, although this days I'm more on the 3bet side.
What's that flop size?
How can someone not think of shoving OTR? You only loose to quads!
When he check/raises there it feels so so good.

Originally posted by zetozinho
Pre ok, although this days I'm more on the 3bet side.
What's that flop size?
How can someone not think of shoving OTR? You only loose to quads!
When he check/raises there it feels so so good.

Good point, yeah, I needed to bet waaaaay bigger than that on this flop.

Shove river. Every qq+ and AJ or any hand with the J he will call. Quads is just a cooler.

It seems I am the nit of this topic, but I just call...
I think raising that big with AA-QQ on the river is really thin on his side, and therefore I lean more towards Tx.

But no expert

Thank you all.

On river, my first instinct was to call his CR because I really felt like this could be quads. Why? Because this doesn't look like AA to me. But I thought back and turned around as you have and decided that the shove is the reasonable line.

I don't like the flop sizing either check or make a more standard size bet imo i like the turn sizing and i'm just calling the river