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Is 888 taking the p*ss with its calculator?

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Hi,

anyone know what eighteighteight are at? was checking out their free poker calculator and noticed that it gives different odds for no reason. Unfortunately i can't load the screenshots here but at 888poker.com/poker/poker-odds-calculator here's what it gave me

7c 8d vs As Ah 18.8% vs 81% (tie 0.3%)

having thought that I noticed a few discrepancies earlier, I changed the order to

7c 8d vs Ah As and got 19.1% vs 80.7% (tie 0.2%)!

I know this discrepancy seems small but when it comes down to probabilities this is important, and I'm sure I noticed a few earlier that were bigger than this.

Is it just an awful tool? (I went to download holdem resources calculator but some messages came up that made me concerned about downloading, so I'll stick with equilab for now).


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Hi pokertool1,
Welcome to PokerStrategy.com! :welcome:

Trial 1

Equilab

Equity Win Tie
MP3 80.66% 80.55% 0.11% { AhAs }
CO 19.34% 19.22% 0.11% { 8d7c }

Trial 2

Equilag

       Equity     Win     Tie
CO     19.34%  19.22%   0.11% { 8d7c }
BU     80.66%  80.55%   0.11% { AhAs }

I am going to make a guess and assume that the discrepancy is due to rounding errors, or perhaps due to the algorithm used to do the calculation.
Equilab gives you a choice of two algorithms -- I didn't check both.

Thanks for pointing that out!
VS


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Hi VorpalF2F, thanks =)

I think it has to be down to poor work in the background, as a formula/code should easily be able to be written to show that the order of the suits is not dependent. even more disturbing is the fact that it gave you different percentages than it gave me, meaning that it has now given four different percentages for the exact same hands with a range of 18.8% to 19.5%.
looks like 888 is beast avoided altogether.

thanks again!


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

In Equilab you have two choices:
:diamond:  Enumerate all
:diamond:  Monte Carlo

The Enumerate all options takes an extreme amount of time if there are a lot of hands, and I don't see this option on the 888 odds calculator, so I assume that it uses some variation of the Monte Carlo method. That method merely runs through millions of hands.
Even in Equilab if you run it in Monte Carlo, and stop it after "only" a million hands or so you get a wide variety of results.

Conclusion:
The 888 tool gets you in the ballpark. It is cumbersome though, and Equilab is free and easy to use.

Like you, I'll stick with Equilab.


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