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$3.30 Zoom PKO KJs vs a shove-over-limpers

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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010
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Well, yeah I should have raised pre-flop (or should I?)
I wanted to see a flop, since I cover everyone at the table, and with a significant piece of the flop, I can get a bounty or two...

PokerStars - 150/300 Ante 40 NL FAST - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (BTN): 44,014
SB: 12,701
BB: 37,211
UTG: 18,453
UTG+1: 6,546
MP: 10,405
MP+1: 11,230
MP+2: 30,678
CO: 23,679

9 players post ante of 40, SB posts SB 150, BB posts BB 300

Pre Flop: (pot: 810) Hero has J♥:K♥:

fold, UTG+1 calls 300, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls 300, fold, BB raises to 37,171 and is all-in, UTG+1 calls 6,206 and is all-in, Hero ???


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008
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I would isolate the limper, but as played I would just fold. No need to gamble for more than 100bb with KJs.

Cheers,
SDK1987


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010
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Originally posted by SDK1987
I would isolate the limper, but as played I would just fold. No need to gamble for more than 100bb with KJs.

Not just the BB though -- since this is a PKO, there are two bounties to be won here -- which changes the odds a lot.


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checkdex
Joined: 17.10.2013
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fold for me too , UTG can trap AA,KK ,AK ,but here u dont want to gamble with the BB stack even if its KO ..


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010
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I just noticed this new video on how to study calculations in PKOs
I'm going to review it, and see how the principles involved apply in this case.

I'll report back.

The main reason I posted this is that I did fold and would have knocked out both other players with a turned flush.


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SDK1987
Joined: 12.11.2008
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Off course that's result orientated, but the shove pre of BB makes not much sense.


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VorpalF2F
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Originally posted by VorpalF2F
I'll report back.

The video is quite informative, but unfortunately shed no light on this particular situation.

<sigh>
VS


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Pakichu777
Joined: 14.06.2011
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Run a simulation (ICMIZER or other) and account for the bounties & their ranges. Think it's a close ish spot, but probably it is a call especially if BB is wide (he should probably be at least 44+, A8s+, ATo+, any suited broadway & any Kq), as you're never trapping here. If UTG is somewhat fishy, he could be wide too.

I mean, depends on starting stack & % bounty too a lot ofc... If starting stack is 25k and bounties are big it is definitely a call

Bounties are fun, and we have a pretty hand!


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checkdex
Joined: 17.10.2013
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Hero have more than 100bb and BB aswell ,blind 300 ,call? The calling theory is maybe with 30bbs maybe 40 not 100 ,calling this lose


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007
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Well to analyze this it would require info on starting stack depth and how big bounties are. Have not played or studied these much personally.


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