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I should have folded this Flush? (even having Q as kicker?)

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wkretchi
Joined: 26.01.2017

partypoker, Hold'em No Limit - $0.01/$0.02 - 5 players

Player3 (UTG): $2.05 (103 bb)
Player4 (CO): $0.76 (38 bb)
Hero (BU): $2.78 (139 bb)
Player1 (SB): $1.08 (54 bb)
Player2 (BB): $3.02 (151 bb)

Pre-Flop: ($0.03) Hero (Hero) is BTN with Q J
Player3 (UTG) calls $0.02, Player4 (CO) calls $0.02, Hero (BU) raises to $0.07, Player1 (SB) calls $0.06, 3 players fold

Flop: ($0.20) J 6 2 (2 players)
Player1 (SB) checks, Hero (BU) bets $0.05, Player1 (SB) calls $0.05

Turn: ($0.30) 9 (2 players)
Player1 (SB) checks, Hero (BU) bets $0.15, Player1 (SB) calls $0.15

River: ($0.60) 3 (2 players)
Player1 (SB) bets $0.42, Hero (BU) calls $0.42

Total pot: $1.44 (Rake: $0.07)

Showdown:
Player1 (SB) shows K A (a flush, King high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 65%, Flop: 26%, Turn: 30%, River: 100%)

Hero (BU) shows Q J (a flush, Queen high)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 35%, Flop: 74%, Turn: 70%, River: 0%)

Player1 (SB) wins $1.37

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I've did the right thing calling on river? I mean, he suddelny raised after the last spades card appeared on river so I knew he also had a flush, but I had a Q as kicker. The only cards he could have to win my flush would be Ks or As as kicker, so I thought I had bigger chances to win on a showdown.

What do you guys think about it?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

I think that as played, the river call is fine.
However I'm going to suggest that the flop bet should be bigger -- half pot or close to that.

I'm curious to read what the real experts think though...


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TFL999
Joined: 18.09.2012

I think your preflop ISO raise IP should be larger as well as your flop bet.
Preflop iso 4X bb + 1 bb for every caller.
On the flop there is no reason to make sort of a GTO range bet. You have TPGK and just want value in NL2. So bet of 1/2-2/3 I would make there.

As played the river is a call. You will more often lose than win there. But you only have to be right about 30% of the time.


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wkretchi
Joined: 26.01.2017

Originally posted by TFL999

On the flop there is no reason to make sort of a GTO range bet. You have TPGK and just want value in NL2. So bet of 1/2-2/3 I would make there.


A 1/2 bet in this situation would not be too much high to make fold someone that is probably with a worst hand than me?

I mean, he would need to have AA, KK, QQ, JJ, KJ, AJ, J6, J2, 62, 66 or 22 to be winning on this situation, so I thought the chances were on my side and it would be smart to not make him runaway quickly.

It would not be better to make a raise not so high so I can get more money on pot without making him fold? He just won on river, before that he had nothing

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
I think that as played, the river call is fine.
However I'm going to suggest that the flop bet should be bigger -- half pot or close to that.

I'm curious to read what the real experts think though...

don't you think it is better to make him put more money on the pot since my hand were strong?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by wkretchi

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
I think that as played, the river call is fine.
However I'm going to suggest that the flop bet should be bigger -- half pot or close to that.

don't you think it is better to make him put more money on the pot since my hand were strong?

Yes it is strong, but it isn't so strong you can trap with it.
You are betting for value, but you to get the value out of other players, you must put money in the pot yourself.
If you put in a little, you only get a little.
What is worse, if you put in a little bet, you give opponents the correct odds to call with draws, so in the long run you lose.

If you put in too much of course, worse hands will fold.

So 1/2 pot is a good compromise.
If you know opponent calls too much, you can bet even bigger.


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TFL999
Joined: 18.09.2012

Villain is nog playing with a full stack and it is NL2, so looks fishy.
Population tendency is that these have a generally inelastic caling range. Meaning that they more look at their own cards and not really aware of odds. So the amount you bet is not really making them call or fold(until some extend). That makes it ok to make value bets larger.


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