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PLO25 7744ds turn bet?

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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007
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Both HJ and BB has seemed like ok reggy type. HJ open and I called on BU. Maybe we could 3bet sometimes? Note that all players are with 200bb+. BB called behind me.

Flopping bottom set but not much otherwise. Clear call on flop. BB call also.

Not sure if I should bet turn? I dont think 53 is that likely but there is some chance of them having better set and not that many rivers I want to necessarily have pot build bigger. So I thought it could be reasonable to just check?

I dont see any value to bet in river so checking behind.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010
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Mascherano95
Joined: 09.10.2010
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The hand is not well connected enough to 3-bet. According to PLO-Matrix the Bottom line would be :7x: :7x: :6x: :6x: and :6x: :6x: :5x: :5x: doublesuited against a loose RFI.

Pot bet the turn. :5x: :3x: is unlikely to be in those players ranges. BB is also unlikely to have a higher set, since he probably would have raised that. 2 Checks in front of you confirm that both villains are weak so we likely have the best hand here and additionally we have back-up equity in a stack-off scenario against a range that would try a sneaky check-raise (you won´t see a check-raise by the HJ very often, why he should suddenlyshutdown with a hit after 2 callers? he is 3-way in a sandwiched position and cannot rely on your bet). Applying logic helps to find the right decision as we are up against human players. If your pool differs a lot from the dynamics I have at PL20, unfortuntely a proof can only be given by a look into the database, but maybe you can remember how frequently you face such moves and base your decision on that aswell.


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Nunki
Joined: 25.10.2006
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I think 200BB deep this is fine to three bet from the button. In a SRP, the SPR of 20 makes it pretty tricky to play postfop when you hit and you have to be careful. Nice hand post-flop. I'd also be pretty cagey about betting the turn.


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010
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Haha, what a hand. I think you can go either way on every decision here.

I dont mind 3b deep preflop deep IP, but calling from BTN fine too.

OTF I guess calling is the best. You've very often the best hand, but I dont see villain continuing with much weaker against a raise, maybe T6 with SD.

I too would most definately bet on the turn.

I would also bet on the river for value, when turn went check and now they check again to you. There's many 2prs combos out there and not many straights with this action, also you're holding blockers here.


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Mascherano95
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Originally posted by Nunki
I think 200BB deep this is fine to three bet from the button. In a SRP, the SPR of 20 makes it pretty tricky to play postfop when you hit and you have to be careful. Nice hand post-flop. I'd also be pretty cagey about betting the turn.

Indeed I have to add that the PLO-recommandation is refereing to 100bb stack sizes.

Originally posted by SeagalSteven
Haha, what a hand. I think you can go either way on every decision here.

I dont mind 3b deep preflop deep IP, but calling from BTN fine too.

OTF I guess calling is the best. You've very often the best hand, but I dont see villain continuing with much weaker against a raise, maybe T6 with SD.

I too would most definately bet on the turn.

I would also bet on the river for value, when turn went check and now they check again to you. There's many 2prs combos out there and not many straights with this action, also you're holding blockers here.

Yup, I also thought there is potential value otr, but would not necessarily bet pot there. To get all the 2pr combos calling I´d bet sth like half pot or less.


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ghaleon
Joined: 17.10.2007
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I were pretty unsure if I get two pairs to call often enough. It's rainbow flop and almost all the straight draws actually improve by the river. If betting I think sizing should be like 1/3 pot or something like that.

Turn seems to create different opinions. If I were 100bb from start I would bet and stack off but I think it's tricky spot here if we get raised. Plus as I said in open post I felt unsure if I want to bloat the pot with fairly medium/weak components of my hand.


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Kyyberi
Joined: 09.07.2010
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Problem in turn betting is that opponent's calling range has hands that beat us already (TT,66). BB could have 53. And that is not a hand I would be happy to get raised on. Would go for pot control.


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010
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Youve strong made hand on the turn and there is all kind of straight and flush draws on the board you dont want to give free cards for.

I'd say no one ever has TT or 66 here as played, never. Theyre very small part of any sensible range and they would bet those hands and not check to you.

Only thing to worry is maybe BB going for CR with 53, but you're so deep you can just call IP and evaluate river does he continue aggression and do you improve/want to call it down.

I see no reason to check here.


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Kyyberi
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From my experience a lot of players check set 3way when straight completes.

Of course if you estimate the opp doesn't have TT/66 then valuebet.


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Padelbro
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Well I really wouldnt be worried about those exact hands. BB would raise them probably on the flop and not many of them in MP opening range at all. Also theyre not going to CR these hands now that straight is possible so hero is not risking his stack against these better sets.

I'd say 53 is way more relevant thing to be worried about, and we can just call IP if check raised with both redraws to flush and full house.

Now which group of hands, TT/66/53 or all the possible straight and flush draws is bigger part of their range? Also hands like overpairs can be in opponents ranges after just one flop bet and have outs against hero.

Combine this with your positional advantage and SPR, and I dont see checking here very good option at all but wasted opportunity to get value / taking the pot down.


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