4-bet pot, thoughts?

Wp, though you could think about bluffing river.

Any info on the villain in this hand would be nice. Especially on NL2 is bluffing hard, but this board is good to try it. Offcourse it would be easier if you had a heart in your hand.

Cheers,
SDK1987

After looking back at 2nl do we think it is realistic V would 5-bet shove his AA,KK a good portion of the time? so I can weight those hands to about 25% calling ? or remove them completely against an unknown at 2nl? On the river here I thought about bluffing but I don't know if villains at 2nl can fold much, TT and JJ may even call here do you think? AQ will call, KQ will call ,QQ makes set but am wondering if QQ will bet turn for value and protection.

If we assume villain bets his QQ+ for value on the turn do we think his river range is mostly TT,JJ,AQ,AK and KQ? and maybe QJs?

Against this range I am wondering if best play is to go for a bluff on the river, he will have TT,JJ roughly 30% of the time and AK, AJs another 25% of the time. If we bet 3/4 pot on the river we only need him to fold 42% of the time. I guess then it depends on reads on whether the opponent can lay down TT and JJ to this bet?

i still don't get this. flop is 542 you have AK. pot is $1 and you cbet 30cents in a 4bet pot. he called your reraise pre, so he doesnt look like he is this foldy type of guy.

so you are just bet/folding the flop?

i think your 4 bet size is too big, as discussed in previous threads go 2,2 x or 2,5 x not 3x, AKo would be 4bet 50 % of time here.

OTF you have 2 options checking and betting, you should mix it up, if you gonna bet range here go smaller in 4bet pots.
26 % betsize of pot is more then enough if you gonna rangebet here.

Originally posted by taavi1337
i still don't get this. flop is 542 you have AK. pot is $1 and you cbet 30cents in a 4bet pot. he called your reraise pre, so he doesnt look like he is this foldy type of guy.

so you are just bet/folding the flop?

I don't understand why you think he is not a foldy guy? An opponent can call a 4-bet and fold it post-flop when he misses. If he has KQ or QJ here when I bet 1/3,the pot is getting large very quickly and he may not want to call flop as some villain's may not like the idea of playing a big pot with no made hand and fold. If he does call it sets me up to win a larger pot and continue pressure on his weakest overpairs if I continue to barrel. If my opponent is sitting here and he is calling 1/2 pot bet on flop with 99 or TT, and on the turn when I bet half pot again I am basically all in .. if he calls again he is basically losing his stack against a range of mostly stronger over-pairs which is not great. If I had reads the opponent was playing this way I would check flop with AK and blast with AA and KK.

EDIT:

I input some ranges in a solver and here were the frequencies:

1/4th pot : 20% of the time
1/3 pot: 31% of the time
1/2 pot: 38% of the time.
and checking the other 10% of the time.

I think because we are OOP it favors the slightly larger size

On the turn it likes to check our specific hand 81% of the time.

On the river its interesting, solver likes to give up with some combos of AK like ours and make a large bet with the AK that have a heart is what I believe it is doing.

51 % it likes to bet small
38 % it likes half pot it doesent favor the larger size it just cant decide between 1/4 and 1/3 .:f_thumbsup:

Originally posted by LMcrow
51 % it likes to bet small
38 % it likes half pot it doesent favor the larger size it just cant decide between 1/4 and 1/3 .:f_thumbsup:

I ran it a few different ways, here's another one

1/4th pot = 33% frequency
55% pot = 58% frequency
Check= 8.5% frequency

I thought the 4-bet sizing is about right, I was watching some content that said 2.7x from OOP is ideal. Does anyone else think it should be smaller? what general rules for 4-bets do you guys use?

The GTO charts I use have us 4-betting AKo versus BTN 3-bet for 68% frequency at 100bbs. At 150bb it is roughly a 50/50 mix between 4-betting and calling., were about somewhere in the middle, I could probably call but I don't mind 4-betting and lowering the SPR, taking away BTN's positional advantage a bit.

1. 4bet sizing is good. I use 2.5x 4bet OOP, but there you are a bit deeper so adding few BB is understandable - you want to discourage opponent from calling.
2. As for sizingpostflop - this is actually very good board to play jam or check on flop. You deny a lot of equity and your bluffs(AK, AQ) are also not in bad shape
3.You should try to find good ranges for solver. From screens I see you put what you think is in ranges of both players and everything at 100% frequency. This is not good and can result in wrong solutions.

i think KQ QJ will just call this small bet and will bluff you off later.

Why are you using a solver on NL 2 ? why dont you move up already,
Why are you playing nl 2 ? I mean its great if you started with poker to try some things out without loosing money, but if you beat the game playing NL 2 is the worst thing you can do. I dont think you can improve your game while playing NL 2, its just massive grinding on solid preflop and postflop strategy to get out of there.

Just cash in some bucks and go nl 5 or nl 10 if you beat the game.

Originally posted by LMcrow
Why are you using a solver on NL 2 ? why dont you move up already,
Why are you playing nl 2 ? I mean its great if you started with poker to try some things out without loosing money, but if you beat the game playing NL 2 is the worst thing you can do. I dont think you can improve your game while playing NL 2, its just massive grinding on solid preflop and postflop strategy to get out of there.

Just cash in some bucks and go nl 5 or nl 10 if you beat the game.

I use solvers so I can learn how to play a fundamentally sound strategy to Start with at the tables until I can see what my opponents tendancies are and adjust.

Originally posted by EmiyaKiritsugu
1. 4bet sizing is good. I use 2.5x 4bet OOP, but there you are a bit deeper so adding few BB is understandable - you want to discourage opponent from calling.
2. As for sizingpostflop - this is actually very good board to play jam or check on flop. You deny a lot of equity and your bluffs(AK, AQ) are also not in bad shape
3.You should try to find good ranges for solver. From screens I see you put what you think is in ranges of both players and everything at 100% frequency. This is not good and can result in wrong solutions.

ok I will try to incorporate that when using solver thats a fair point.