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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010
Welcome to the Land of the Dead

Well, only card dead, but that is bad enough[1]
It is Halloween tomorrow, so I guess deadness is to be expected...

Admittedly, I had a couple of rough draws I could have played, but I was OOP and they would have been multiway

So I only played 5 hands of the 35 dealt.
The hand I won I pushed a Q-Badugi pot-pot-pot and opponent folded

[1] I'm trying for some whinge equity here


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010
Well That Worked OK

And even caught a player snowing...

PokerStars, $2.94 + $0.36 - Badugi Pot Limit - 150/300 - 8 players
Hand delivered by CardsChat

UTG: 29,557 (99 bb)
UTG+1: 10,000 (33 bb)
MP: 8,176 (27 bb)
MP+1: 12,272 (41 bb)
CO: 10,863 (36 bb)
BU: 6,261 (21 bb)
SB: 25,069 (84 bb)
BB (Hero): 10,840 (36 bb)

Deal: (450) Hero is BB with 5♠:Q♠:8♣:4♥:
4 players fold, CO raises to 1,050, BTN calls 1,050, 1 fold, Hero calls 750

Draw One: (3,300) 5♠:8♣:4♥:7♦: (3 players)
BB (Hero) draws Q♠:, CO draws 1, BU draws 2
Hero bets 3,300, CO raises to 9,813 (all-in), BU folds, Hero calls 6,490 (all-in)

Draw Two: (22,903) 5♠:8♣:4♥:7♦: (2 players, 2 all-in)
BB (Hero) stands pat, CO draws 1

Draw Three: (22,880) (2 players, 2 all-in)
BB (Hero) stands pat, CO stands pat

Total pot: 22,880

Showdown:
CO shows T♣:9♣:J♣:4♣: (a 1-card: 4)
BB (Hero) shows 5♠:8♣:4♥:7♦: (a Badugi: 8,7,5,4)
BB (Hero) wins 22,880


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010
Ooops -- Forgot to Post this Yesterday

From the Razz segment of yesterday's 8-Game
Subtitle -- when runner-runner kings do you no good

PokerStars, $2.94 + $0.36 - Razz Limit (8-Game) - 500/1,000 (200 ante) - 6 players
Hand delivered by CardsChat

Seat 6 (Hero): 31,429 (31 bb)
Seat 1: 44,028 (44 bb)
Seat 2: 32,287 (32 bb)
Seat 3: 15,864 (16 bb)
Seat 4: 7,300 (7 bb)
Seat 5: 32,300 (32 bb)

Third Street: (1,200) Hero is in Seat 6
Xx Xx Tx BI bring-in 300____BI folds
4x Ax 6x Hero raises to 1,000____Hero calls 1,000
Xx Xx 3x MP folds
Xx Xx 5x MP+1 calls 1,000____MP+1 calls 1,000
Xx Xx 7x CO calls 1,000____CO calls 1,000
Xx Xx 2x BTN raises to 2,000

Fourth Street: (9,500) (4 players)
Xx Xx 7x 9x CO checks____CO calls 1,000
Xx Xx 2x Kx BTN bets 1,000
4x Ax 6x Tx Hero calls 1,000
Xx Xx 5x Tx MP+1 folds

Fifth Street: (12,500) (3 players)
4x Ax 6x Tx 9x Hero checks____Hero calls 2,000
Xx Xx 7x 9x 7x CO checks____CO calls 2,000
Xx Xx 2x Kx 3x BTN bets 2,000

Sixth Street: (18,500) (3 players)
4x Ax 6x Tx 9x Jx Hero checks____Hero calls 2,000
Xx Xx 7x 9x 7x Jx CO checks____CO calls 2,000
Xx Xx 2x Kx 3x Kx BTN bets 2,000

Seventh Street: (24,500) (3 players)
4x Ax 6x Tx 9x Jx 7x Hero checks____Hero calls 2,000
Xx Xx 7x 9x 7x Jx Xx CO bets 2,000
Xx Xx 2x Kx 3x Kx Xx BTN calls 100 (all-in)

Total pot: 28,600

Showdown:
Seat 3 shows 2x 6x 7x 9x 7x Jx 4x (Lo: 9,7,6,4,2)
Seat 6 (Hero) shows 4x Ax 6x Tx 9x Jx 7x (Lo: 9,7,6,4,A) <<< won by one pip in the lowest card
Seat 4 mucks 6x Ax 2x Kx 3x Kx Kx
Seat 6 (Hero) wins 28,600


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
And even caught a player snowing...

Not really a snow, that player clearly didn't know what they were doing. I assume 10K was the starting stack, and this player probably took down a non-showdown pot before.

Too bad I couldn't make it to the tournament.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010
Another One Bites the Dust

Here I had a near-perfect 3-card, and opponent drew 2 before standing pat
It isn't impossible of course, but it is extremely unlikely.
As it turns out, he had nuttin' honey

PokerStars, $2.94 + $0.36 - Badugi Pot Limit - 400/800 - 8 players
Hand delivered by CardsChat

UTG: 33,675 (42 bb)
UTG+1: 56,896 (71 bb)
MP: 22,961 (29 bb)
MP+1: 30,406 (38 bb)
CO: 35,306 (44 bb)
BU: 4,150 (5 bb)
SB: 25,834 (32 bb)
BB (Hero): 44,847 (56 bb)

Deal: (1,200) Hero is BB with Q♠:3♠:A♦:4♣:
UTG calls 800, 5 players fold, SB calls 400, Hero raises to 3,200, UTG calls 2,400, 1 fold

Draw One: (7,200) 3♠:A♦:4♣:8♠: (2 players)
BB (Hero) draws Q♠:, UTG draws 2
Hero bets 7,200, UTG raises to 14,400, Hero calls 7,200

Draw Two: (36,000) 3♠:A♦:4♣:7♠: (2 players)
BB (Hero) draws 8♠:, UTG stands pat
Hero checks, UTG bets 16,075 (all-in), Hero calls 16,075

Draw Three: (68,150) 3♠:A♦:4♣:A♣: (2 players, 1 all-in)
BB (Hero) draws 7♠:, UTG stands pat

Total pot: 68,150

Showdown:
UTG shows 3♣:A♠:9♦:K♠: (a 3-card: 9,3,A)
BB (Hero) shows 3♠:A♦:4♣:A♣: (a 3-card: 4,3,A)
BB (Hero) wins 68,150


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
It isn't impossible of course, but it is extremely unlikely.

Not that unlikely, I think, though I'm not sure about the exact odds. At least in my standard daily MTT, I would usually assume a straightforward playing style from my opponents, unless I know that one in particular has a history of doing some tricky stuff.

No idea what your opponent was thinking there. Based on their stack, they clearly do know how to play, but snowing in position on the last draw after going all-in doesn't make a bit of sense. The only explanation would be that they were misreading their hand, but I don't see how. Even with a two-color deck, it should be easy to spot with three black cards.

Some weird players in this tournaments...


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010
Nice Runout

Did I mention I am πŸ”[1]

Although I have an extremely good Badugi -- it isn't the nuts.
There are 20 to go to the bubble here.
Although the possibility of opponent having a better hand is extremely low, I also wanted to see what he played, since this is my first hand at this table, and I would be up against him for the next little while

PokerStars, $2.94 + $0.36 - Badugi Pot Limit - 600/1,200 - 8 players
Hand delivered by CardsChat

UTG: 22,779 (19 bb)
UTG+1: 52,123 (43 bb)
MP: 71,691 (60 bb)
MP+1: 47,776 (40 bb)
CO: 44,632 (37 bb)
BU: 75,745 (63 bb)
SB: 46,168 (38 bb)
BB (Hero): 68,747 (57 bb)

Deal: (1,800) Hero is BB with K♠:T♥:2♠:T♣:
1 fold, UTG+1 calls 1,200, 3 players fold, BTN calls 1,200, 1 fold, Hero checks

Draw One: (4,200) 2♠:5♦:A♣:2♣: (3 players)
BB (Hero) draws K♠:T♥:T♣:, UTG+1 draws 1, BU draws 2
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 3,300, BTN calls 3,300, Hero calls 3,300

Draw Two: (14,100) 2♠:5♦:A♣:3♥: (3 players)
BB (Hero) draws 2♣:, UTG+1 stands pat, BU draws 1
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets 8,250, BTN calls 8,250, Hero calls 8,250

Draw Three: (38,850) 2♠:5♦:A♣:3♥: (3 players)
BB (Hero) stands pat, UTG+1 stands pat, BU stands pat
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, BTN bets 26,030, Hero calls 26,030, UTG+1 folds

Total pot: 90,910

Showdown:
BU shows 4♦:6♣:5♠:2♥: (a Badugi: 6,5,4,2)
BB (Hero) shows 2♠:5♦:A♣:3♥: (a Badugi: 5,3,2,A)
BB (Hero) wins 90,910

[1] This could also have been entitled, "Punish Limpers!" If this was not a limped pot, I never would have been in it at all.


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Padelbro
Joined: 21.01.2010

Wow, losing with that last hand must have similar odds like losing with flopped A-quads to a backdoor straightflush, that is a bit nitty indeed You even discarded 2c


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by SeagalSteven
Wow, losing with that last hand must have similar odds like losing with flopped A-quads to a backdoor straightflush, that is a bit nitty indeed You even discarded 2c

In one rather famous hand -- well famous around here anyways -- Harrier88 beat another poker friend with a perfect 4-Badugi vs a 5-Badugi
If I remember correctly, it was even on stream.[1]
You can see it here https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=3190460#post3190460


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010
MicroMillions -- Current Edition

Major Disappointment
I've cashed a bunch -- but it has been min-cashes or 2nd tier only
I've been mostly card dead -- as my whining previously indicates (btw, I did cash the Badugi fairly nicely in the 2nd tier)

I also managed to complete my PokerStars challenge for $60, but I don't think I'm in profit for the month even with that.
And I'm not gonna look, either.


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Originally posted by VorpalF2F

Originally posted by SeagalSteven
Wow, losing with that last hand must have similar odds like losing with flopped A-quads to a backdoor straightflush, that is a bit nitty indeed You even discarded 2c

In one rather famous hand -- well famous around here anyways -- Harrier88 beat another poker friend with a perfect 4-Badugi vs a 5-Badugi
If I remember correctly, it was even on stream.[1]
You can see it here https://forums.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?postid=3190460#post3190460/blockquote >

Yes, that's the one. :f_biggrin:

Seriously, though, I'd consider any 5-Badugi to be in the category of "try to go all-in, no matter what the situation is like". Most 6-Badugis would be in there too, except for rare and specific situations where your opponent plays a very suspicious line. You even had them nicely set-up with a potential check-raise here, and they surely would have called.

Implied odds are an key factor in PL Badugi, so it is important to extract good value when you do hit those spots.


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Harrier88
Implied odds are an key factor in PL Badugi, so it is important to extract good value when you do hit those spots.

Yup I messed that one up quite nicely.

Who Said Limit Hold'em is Hard?

PokerStars, $2.94 + $0.36 - Hold'em Limit (8-Game) - 100/200 - 6 players
Hand delivered by CardsChat

UTG: 8,978 (45 bb)
MP: 10,592 (53 bb)
CO: 12,368 (62 bb)
BU: 6,504 (33 bb)
SB: 13,108 (66 bb)
BB (Hero): 14,699 (73 bb)

Pre-Flop: (300) Hero is BB with 5♦:5♣:
2 players fold, CO raises to 400, 2 players fold, Hero calls 200

Flop: (900) Q♠:5♠:2♥: (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets 200, Hero raises to 400, CO calls 200

Turn: (1,700) 2♦: (2 players)
Hero bets 400, CO calls 400

River: (2,500) 5♥: (2 players)
Hero bets 400, CO calls 400

Total pot: 3,300

Showdown:
BB (Hero) shows 5♦:5♣: (four of a kind, Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 53%, Flop: 98%, Turn: 95%, River: 100%)

CO mucks Q♥:K♦: (two pair, Queens and Fives)
(Equity - Pre-Flop: 47%, Flop: 2%, Turn: 5%, River: 0%)

BB (Hero) wins 3,300

Easy game


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

We had a Brother multi-function printer for over 9 years.
Sadly, it just recently stopped recognizing that it had ink in it.
Just as sadly, it won't use the scanner function any longer either -- when you power it up, it whines about the lack of ink and goes no further.

So I guess it goes in the bin.

We replaced it today with an Epson ET-3760.

So far so good.

It does a remarkable job with photos -- let's see how it does with coloured text...


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mjez1
Joined: 29.06.2015

Have fun with the new printer :f_drink:


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Surprisingly, it rendered the coloured text above in black.
I tried with Firefox, Chrome and edge -- all rendered the text the same way.
Oddly enough, the two that went to the printer were in different apparent sizes.
Other coloured elements on the page, such as your :f_drink: came out in colour


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010
Snow Job

Snowing is when a player stands pat with anything other than a pat hand.
In 5-Card Draw, pat hands are straight flushes, full houses, flushes and straights

It can be useful, and one needs to do it periodically for several reasons:
:diamond: Β If players know that you can snow, they can call your post-draw bets when you do have a pat hand.
:diamond: Β If you are seen to pat frequently, opponents can assume that at least some of the time, you're snowing
:diamond: Β You can win money from player that you know fold too tightly post draw

But there is a time and a place for everything.
In this hand, BB just flats a fair-sized pre-draw raise. If he really had a pat hand, with his stack size, a 3Bet is pretty much required.

I'm not saying my call was the smartest move ever, but with my stack size, losing isn't going to hurt all that much.

PokerStars, $2.94 + $0.36 - 5 Card Draw Pot Limit - 300/600 (150 ante) - 6 players
Hand delivered by CardsChat

UTG: 20,210 (34 bb)
MP: 14,550 (24 bb)
CO: 7,450 (12 bb)
BU: 30,469 (51 bb)
SB (Hero): 35,340 (59 bb)
BB: 7,450 (12 bb)

Deal: (1,800) Hero is SB with A♠:9♣:Q♣:5♦:A♣:
3 players fold, BTN calls 600, Hero raises to 1,740, BB calls 1,140, 1 fold

Draw One: (4,980) A♠:A♣:9♠:3♣:2♥: (2 players)
SB (Hero) draws 9♣:Q♣:5♦:, BB stands pat
Hero checks, BB bets 4,980, Hero calls 4,980

Total pot: 14,940

Showdown:
BB shows 2♣:9♦:8♣:7♥:6♠: (high card, Nine)
SB (Hero) shows A♠:A♣:9♠:3♣:2♥: (a pair of Aces)
SB (Hero) wins 14,940


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010
Pipped!

I win this pot flush-over-flush -- and I win by one rank of the third-highest card

PokerStars, $2.94 + $0.36 - 5 Card Draw Pot Limit - 500/1,000 (250 ante) - 6 players
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UTG: 35,003 (35 bb)
MP: 26,004 (26 bb)
CO (Hero): 59,690 (60 bb)
BU: 12,570 (13 bb)
SB: 9,175 (9 bb)
BB: 3,015 (3 bb)

Deal: (3,000) Hero is CO with 7♥:9♥:4♥:T♥:3♣:
UTG calls 1,000, MP calls 1,000, Hero calls 1,000, 1 fold, SB calls 500, BB checks

Draw One: (6,500) 7♥:9♥:4♥:T♥:A♥: (5 players)
SB draws 1, BB draws 3, UTG draws 3, MP draws 1, CO (Hero) draws 3♣:
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets 6,500, Hero raises to 16,640, 3 players fold, MP raises to 24,754 (all-in), Hero calls 8,114

Total pot: 56,008

Showdown:
MP shows 3♠:A♠:8♠:T♠:2♠: (a flush, Ace high)
CO (Hero) shows 7♥:9♥:4♥:T♥:A♥: (a flush, Ace high - higher flush)
CO (Hero) wins 56,008


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010
Fixed-Limit Omaha Hi/Lo for Fun and Profit

Even at FL $2/$4 people are playing way too many hands
Yes, it help is you hit your gin card OTR, but you have to have a hand that you can draw to for it to be any good.

I've been playing these upper limit FL games because you don't lose (or win) much while you accumulate points.
It helps when you can scoop a pot now and again though...
A solid player is rarely going to get scooped though, so all you do is accumulate money.

PokerStars - $2/$4 Hi/Lo (6 max) - Omaha Hi/Lo - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 53.78 BB
BTN: 16.19 BB
SB: 30 BB
BB: 38.1 BB
UTG: 25.88 BB
Hero (MP): 38.14 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has A♥:2♣:5♦:7♥:

fold, Hero raises to 2 BB, fold, BTN calls 2 BB, SB calls 1.5 BB, BB calls 1 BB

Flop: (8 BB, 4 players) Q♦:4♠:A♦:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: (8 BB, 4 players) 6♥:
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets 2 BB, fold, BB calls 2 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

River: (14 BB, 3 players) 3♣:
BB checks, Hero bets 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, fold

Hero shows A♥:2♣:5♦:7♥: (High: Straight, Seven High, Low: 5432A)
(Pre 55%, Flop 75%, Turn 68%)
BTN mucks 4♣:3♥:6♣:7♣: (High: Two Pair, Sixes and Fours, Low: 7643A)
(Pre 45%, Flop 25%, Turn 33%)
Hero wins 17.46 BB
Rake paid 0.54 BB


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Harrier88
Joined: 01.05.2012

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
Deal: (1,800) Hero is SB with A♠:9♣:Q♣:5♦:A♣:
3 players fold, BTN calls 600, Hero raises to 1,740, BB calls 1,140, 1 fold

Draw One: (4,980) A♠:A♣:9♠:3♣:2♥: (2 players)
SB (Hero) draws 9♣:Q♣:5♦:, BB stands pat
Hero checks, BB bets 4,980, Hero calls 4,980

Total pot: 14,940

Showdown:
BB shows 2♣:9♦:8♣:7♥:6♠: (high card, Nine)
SB (Hero) shows A♠:A♣:9♠:3♣:2♥: (a pair of Aces)
SB (Hero) wins 14,940

Weird that they didn't raise preflop... but maybe not all that foolish, considering that you (and BTN) had a chance of re-raising them all-in, making any attempt to snow futile, or to call and bring the pot to a size that would turn postdraw bluff catching into a less uncomfortable decision.

Are you a regular in these 5CD tournaments now?


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VorpalF2F
Joined: 02.09.2010

Originally posted by Harrier88
Are you a regular in these 5CD tournaments now?

Oh no -- just whenever I get a chance.
My life is still too unpredictable to schedule things


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