AA vs 2. When do you fold

I agree that you should have opened larger, and yes, it would likely have made little difference.
There's an argument to be made for raising the flop donk bet. The board is fairly dry, and you beat any top-pair hands.
Now is not the time to become passive, or you end up playing follow-the-leader. Be the leader.

OTT if you're going to check AA, check/raise it. (how can you tell I'm aggro)

There is an old saying that goes, "if you're going to be all-in on the river anyway, why not be all-in on the flop?"
The opposite is probably just as true "if you're going to fold the river, you might as well fold on the flop"
They both are marginally true, but still

Originally posted by VorpalF2F
There is an old saying that goes, "if you're going to be all-in on the river anyway, why not be all-in on the flop?"
The opposite is probably just as true "if you're going to fold the river, you might as well fold on the flop"

I neglected to go through my thinking process. Let's try to correct my mistake.

PF- as said, could/should've been bigger.
F- the flop isn't really scary for me, that I need to raise the donkbet from SB. Ks and Js are in range of all. A raise here would isolate against top ranges (2 pairs, sets) and I can extract from SB later on, IP.
When BTN raises, it triggers the alarm.
A raise from BTN here, Vs donkbet and a call has to be KQ+ (AK that didn't raise, KJ, some QT) but I don't see need for a set to raise in such flop. So, although I have doubts, I don't hate my call here.

Turn- I think the check to raiser to be standard. Now, his sizing vs 2 looks a lot as value. Here, although I don't think it's "criminal", I think the call may be the worst line.
When I call, I am hoping BTN has KQ/AK (SB I am not really worried with), but those should call a raise, as well. Hands that beat me should re-raise me, so it'd be a raise/fold. But OOP, I don't know how I'd handle a blank river, as I'd be "forced" to bet/fold river frequently.

River- on that card and betsize, is an easy fold. But if it was a blank, vs 1/3 pot (20BBs+), I think we're behind often and we should've folded turn. So my main question is: did we decide on turn that we will fold river 80%+ of the times?

Not sure if I made sense

P.S. If we raise turn, we need to do it to about 30BBs+. If BTN keeps the betting pattern, a showdown with a blank river will be cheaper and against a wilder range. By raising turn I am not sure if we're protecting, or just bluffing.

You're a passive whale?

Pre bigger, but you know this by now.

Flop, I raise that small donk. I want to have the betting lead and don't think it will isolate against top-ranges. I don't expect SB to bet/fold with a Kx type of holding or QT for example. And if BTN folds you can play your hand heads-up in position on the turn.

As played, BTN can have a wide range here to raise, because of the small bet-sizing and call. He makes it really small, maybe just looking for value with Kx and doesn't want to give a cheap turn, he can also have some sets.

Turn another small bet, that we call, this is std.

On the river vs a shove and a call, it's an easy fold. SB is going to show up with flushes most of the time. And button happened to have quads?

Originally posted by LookAwayNow
You're a passive whale?
Why?

Pre bigger, but you know this by now.

Flop, I raise that small donk. I want to have the betting lead and don't think it will isolate against top-ranges. I don't expect SB to bet/fold with a Kx type of holding or QT for example. And if BTN folds you can play your hand heads-up in position on the turn.
What holdings would SB fold to my re-raise, that won't fold vs SB donkbet, on such flop?

As played, BTN can have a wide range here to raise, because of the small bet-sizing and call. He makes it really small, maybe just looking for value with Kx and doesn't want to give a cheap turn, he can also have some sets.

Turn another small bet, that we call, this is std.

On the river vs a shove and a call, it's an easy fold. SB is going to show up with flushes most of the time:f_thumbsup: [J♠x:spade: ]. And button happened to have quads?:f_thumbsup:

Originally posted by yangmartins

Originally posted by LookAwayNow
You're a passive whale?

Why?

Because you state this on your original post.

Originally posted by yangmartins
What holdings would SB fold to my re-raise, that won't fold vs SB donkbet, on such flop?

I'm not sure if I understand this question correctly. What holdings would he donk/fold against your re-raise on the flop? Not that much I think, most of them will donk/call. The reason they donk is usually because they want to decide the price to go to the turn. They want it cheap, so they donk small. People will generally just call and give them what they want. They usually have some mediocre hands or draws and usually donk/call anyway because they really want to see a turn. They could also donk/fold, we don't know for sure. His range is Jx, Kx, 66 and draws imo and maybe some air. Some of that might fold against your raise, the air and maybe some Jx, but most of it will call.

Originally posted by LookAwayNow

Originally posted by yangmartins

Originally posted by LookAwayNow
You're a passive whale?

Why?

Because you state this on your original post.

If I said so, there must be some truth to it.
Ty for pointing out. Corrected it. Was referring to SB.

Originally posted by LookAwayNow

Originally posted by yangmartins
What holdings would SB fold to my re-raise, that won't fold vs SB donkbet, on such flop?

I'm not sure if I understand this question correctly. What holdings would he donk/fold against your re-raise on the flop? Not that much I think, most of them will donk/call. The reason they donk is usually because they want to decide the price to go to the turn. They want it cheap, so they donk small. People will generally just call and give them what they want. They usually have some mediocre hands or draws and usually donk/call anyway because they really want to see a turn. They could also donk/fold, we don't know for sure. His range is Jx, Kx, 66 and draws imo and maybe some air. Some of that might fold against your raise, the air and maybe some Jx, but most of it will call.

No, let's see this scenarios...
1- Flop: SB dbet, I call, BTN folds. Turn i bet or raise, against SB only.
2- Flop: SB dbet, I call, BTN calls. It is likely that I bet or raise an SB bet. Probably to fold vs a raise, deppending on size.

The question regarding Flop is what holds would BTN drop if I raise, that call the SB dbet?

Flop is not standard. You are much to passive.

Raise flop always.

Why do you care about the Button what he folds or not to sb donkbet? That does not matter.

What matters is you losing initiative and underplaying your hand, giving villains really good odds to just call with Kx or Jx or their straight draws for cheap which makes no sense. You just going to win a small pot or lose a big one with those lines.

Turn I won't comment as I don't get into a multiway situation like this with AA.