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[Closed] .10/.20 PP: AJo well played?

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Hi everyone,

I just climbed the next limit and got a very confusing hand here:

Party Poker 0.10/0.20 Hold'em (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Preflop: BlackFlush is MP1 with A, J.
2 folds, BlackFlush raises, 4 folds, SB 3-bets, 1 fold, BlackFlush calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 9, 8, 9 (2 players)
SB bets, BlackFlush calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) Q (2 players)
SB bets, BlackFlush calls.

River: (6.50 BB) A (2 players)
SB checks, BlackFlush checks.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB

After this hand, I thought back and I'm not sure calling was correct on the flop. He might got AA, KK or QQ, and till the river I got nothing than A high. Fold flop would be right, wouldn't it?

Thanks for comments,
Sebastian


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fold flop
fold turn
bet river


Korn
Joined: 14.01.2005

Calling the flop here is fine for two reasons:

1. you get 1 to 8 on your call with 6 outs which look quite clean here. (i.e. I'd discount them to 5 outs)

2. on this board, you might have the best hand

The turn gives you a gutshot as well, however, your A and J outs are compromised and the chance that you do still have the best hand are strongly reduced. Thus I would fold the turn here.

Given that you called the turn, you should definately bet the river as your opponent showed weakness by checking and you have got top pair :)


The call on the flop was because of the odds, like Korn explained.

The Q on the turn reduce's my outs to 3 (3 A) because of the J who might not help me anymore, but gives me 4 other outs (4 T). 7 outs are odds of 5,57 and the pot offers me 5,5. So in my eyes it was a call, because he might have something like A with a weak kicker or 8 with an K maybe.

On the river I wasn't sure about my play yet and decided just to check behind.

While remembering the hand, a fold on the turn would be more correctly than the call, i think.

Another question:
What's about a raise on the flop, just to get some informations about his hand. Would this be ok or a mistake because of the 3-bet preflop, which shows me the strenght of his hand even better?

Thanks for your comments,
Sebastian


Korn, i disagree with you on the call on the flop. Villain 3-betted us preflop and from what I have heard about the micros they are fairly tight now and most players use SHC. We are drawing to 3 outs at most against any hand that would be a 3-bet according to SHC and even if we give him a bigger range (99, 88, AQ, AJ, KQ, maybe ATs) we are still behind to most of his hands. Plus even if we do have the best hand villain will bet the turn and I don't think we can call the turn unimproved very often.


No, the micro's aren't very tight at all. I nearly ever get 3 or 4 loose players on the table, sometimes they call all they way with nothing or an small pocket pair (i.e.: I saw a player raising and calling all the way with pocket 5's again a flushdraw-board with 3 overcards and preflop-raisers.). And this happens all along on every table.

I don't remeber what I knew about this player, but he wasn't TAG and didn't use SHC.