[Closed] NL200: trip of Kings flop: tough decision river.

ill play it on 60bb

Originally posted by tigerK
Sorry for my english.

Originally posted by Gerv
How about topping up to 100bb and go the setmine route?

I ask you this question back: do you top up after triple-up or do you just wait your turn to run?

I don't like your preflop raising size at all. Your stack-to-pot ratio is 5 which sucks as a relative shortstack, you want it to make it 4 or 3 to be committed easier.Raising 3.5-4bb with a tripled stack is much much better. More value preflop, more value postflop and easier decisions.

Here is a big point we disagree on. I assume you think playing 60bb deep is more about playing SSS, whereas it's more about playing BS strategy according to me. I mean playing 60bb with the SS strategy is just a nonsense to me, and far from being ev+max (probably ev- though). To your point it looks like having easier decision and being committed asap are the keys. Ok with 20bb, not with 60bb. Even so I do agree that my pf bet is ledge, 3-3.5bb would have been better. Just a reflex of my standart bet of 2.5bb with 20bb (my standart bet is 2.5-3bb usually)

Raise big time flop if you know he is flushing on his draw so potsized of $18 at least. You can even go to $25 and overbet shove the Turn on a blank.

That's how to play face up I guess. Overbet 25$ are you kiddin me? Or how protection kill value lol. Have you ever seen a reg doing an overbet of twice the pot flop in CG FR? To get value you have to accept the risk. 15-18$ overbet is more understandable, but even so I refuse myself to play like that, face up. And maybe I'm wrong but just after making a 25$ overbet flop, if he calls and a club comes, find a fold is much much harder... The problem with playing face up is that you can be bluffed much more easily... And here with a 25$ overbet flop, knowing that and considerating his range of calling that overbet, it looks like you're almost commited mate.

Now you see the problem of raising small pre with 60bb, you still play the Turn/River whereas you want to play Flop/Turn with a 60bb most of the time.

No. Play postflop is nice too you know. Even if 60bb is not the perfect stack size to play it I admit.

Call Turn, fold river is fine

Ok.

but I'd estimate his hand range on the flop already.

I did, puting him on a flush. That's why I made a quite strong 3bet (but still decent). Overbet is not part of my flop game as I said (and I assume it), I could have raise the pot instead (13$) that's true, but not more. At the turn I just pay for chasing the fullhouse, I had the odds for it.

If you would had TP, folding TUrn was my preference.

At least we agree on that.

Sorry if it looked rude, but my lack of english vocabulary doesn't help me to make it softer.

What do you think about that?

tl;dr last comment.

As played nh.

Yeah i like it, too.

I'd play the same way 100BB deep.
You have the required ~2:1 implieds (imo) and the opponent could still be spaazing out on the turn in which case you sometimes even win unimproved on the river.

Once he shoves it in on the river you have an easy fold.

Edit:Btw i think the raisesize on the flop is ok. You could make it bigger but you don't want to scare him off if he has some kind of small pocket pair and even if he calls with a flushdraw that's good because you always have 10 redraw-outs against the flush and - most important - you're in position so you can easily play against him.

Look at how the hand actually went down: He most likely hit his flush and you still had a +EV decision on the turn (probably) and got out of his way very easy on the river.