Originally posted by tokyoaces
Originally posted by ihufa
it hurts my head when bronze and silver people talk strategyPlaying on good sites > playing on tracked sites.
that's exactly what i do too 
im not saying you suck because you're bronze/silver, im just saying the advice in this thread is ridiculusly horrible
Ihufa has a point, I cant believe anyone even said leave the table.
DON'T LEAVE THE TABLE.
If you're playing HU you have to be able to play maniacs , they're the easiest. I prefer switching to fairly passive play. let him bluff his stack into you and you'll win. if there are a huge number of scare cards bet big, otherwise just decide on the flop if its fold now or call 3 barrels (you'll need to lower your hand standards to around mid pair (but use common sense)). sometimes you'll lose but usually easy money
the book HUNL by colin moshman is quite good
jeezus. leave the table?? yea do that. Go look for some less aggressive players and chill.
before doing that, ask yourself WHEN do you win most - stealing and protecting blinds at tight tables and running into AA in the process, or while smiling when watching a maniac constantly push his stack into you with 63o??
choose, depending on your level:
a) if you're loose, play less hands against HIM so you wont have to fold your shitty cards any more.
b) if you're considering leaving a table like this, then head to the lower limit as you do that. you're obviously not comfortable enough with the % of your bankroll on the table.
c) get your cojones out and take that dudes money. He saw you folding to him a lot. So he learned something about you. Use it to you advantage - stop playing cards and play the opponent for fuck sakes.
d) if none of above makes sense to you, seek advice here
Before discussing more about leaving the table, could you please read the original post and understand that:
Leaving the table is not an option as the OP was playing either SNG or MTT.
EDIT:
from OP
Originally posted by Kidsoldja
He was mocking me , and I felt into his trap (called t400 bet with TPTK - he has 3 of a kind , and other mistakes).What to do against such a douche ?
Originally posted by ihufa
Originally posted by tokyoaces
Originally posted by ihufa
it hurts my head when bronze and silver people talk strategyPlaying on good sites > playing on tracked sites.
that's exactly what i do too
im not saying you suck because you're bronze/silver, im just saying the advice in this thread is ridiculusly horrible
Then stfu or give advice. No one wants to read the crap you posted in this thread. The only purpose is to get ppl mad.
Anyway, i already gave you some advice. Then people confused me by saying it was a cash game T_T You have to be retarded to just leave in a sng because of a maniac. If your really that desperate you might aswell shove all in every hand.
Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
No one wants to read the crap you posted in this thread.
i do, i think he's the only one worth listening here
Originally posted by taavi1337
Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
No one wants to read the crap you posted in this thread.i do, i think he's the only one worth listening here
Really now?
It hurts my head when bronze and silver people talk strategy was a contribution worth
a pinch of shit? If he felt the advice given was so poor, then why not do what this community
was designed to have done and offer something up discussion wise about why it is a bad
idea to leave the table?
Ok some people will give bad advice but that is how they play and if it is a huge leak help them
plug it or if you feel thats not your job and you absolutely have to throw in a joke or a comment
at least avoid it being snide and derogative towards the people trying to learn here.
Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
Originally posted by ihufa
Originally posted by tokyoaces
Originally posted by ihufa
it hurts my head when bronze and silver people talk strategyPlaying on good sites > playing on tracked sites.
that's exactly what i do too
im not saying you suck because you're bronze/silver, im just saying the advice in this thread is ridiculusly horribleThen stfu or give advice. No one wants to read the crap you posted in this thread. The only purpose is to get ppl mad.
Anyway, i already gave you some advice. Then people confused me by saying it was a cash game T_T You have to be retarded to just leave in a sng because of a maniac. If your really that desperate you might aswell shove all in every hand.
If he followed your advice he would simply be making losing plays, which is why i said what i did.
You're not exploiting any of the maniac/bluffers tendencies by raising him all in preflop with a decent hand. That line alone doesn't even count as advice as you're not mentioning under what cercimstances this should be applied or what qualifies as a "decent hand" (im assuming you're not actually suggesting shoving 50 or 100bb over a 3bb raise).
As OP mentioned several postflop spots im assuming this is with stacks of 25bb+, in which case i can only refer to bradumurders post.
Taking passive lines and deciding early in the hand whether to call multiple barrels or fold straight away is pretty much the optimal approach. Which hands to call down with will depend on his barrel frequencies, position and board textures obviously.
Originally posted by 8979687
Originally posted by taavi1337
Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
No one wants to read the crap you posted in this thread.i do, i think he's the only one worth listening here
Really now?
It hurts my head when bronze and silver people talk strategy was a contribution worth
a pinch of shit? If he felt the advice given was so poor, then why not do what this community
was designed to have done and offer something up discussion wise about why it is a bad
idea to leave the table?Ok some people will give bad advice but that is how they play and if it is a huge leak help them
plug it or if you feel thats not your job and you absolutely have to throw in a joke or a comment
at least avoid it being snide and derogative towards the people trying to learn here.
+1 finally i see someone standig up for his crap. I don't mind if it's funny, but his post was plain insulting and unhelpful.
@ihufa didn't think i'd ever see you give advice. I'm just going to assume this is a single table sng and its heads up. As that's the most logical from what he said. I'm also going to assume He plays on pokerstars so there are 9 x 1500 = 13500 chips total. So lets say they are both equal, which probably isn't the case since he's getting owned by the agressive play. But lets just say they both have 6750 chips
The BB is 400 as he mentioned. So they both have almost 17BB. So that player raises 2BB preflop, you can't reraise it without commiting yourself. You can shove and take the pot with a good hand as i suggested. You can also just call it with 17BB, and then what? you will miss the flop 2/3 times so i highly doubt its +EV to do that.
If you get lucky and hit the flop sure you can play passive. But if you miss the flop a few times in a row half your stack is gone.
So that's why i would shove his preflop raises all in with good hands or depending on how loose he calls all ins even with semi decent hands.
Ofcourse i'm assuming alot of things here and it would be more helpful if he actualy gave more information. I just reread his post. And the BB could also be 200 in that case you can play a little more passive and you don't have to shove with a 25BB+ stack over a 2bb raise.
he bluffed like 50% of pots , raise 2 BB pf then cbet 30% of his stack.
From this it's more likely the BB was indeed 400. But there's not much point in speculating and helping this guy when he's to lazy to post on his own thread.
if a riverbet with trips and a call with tptk for t400 is a mistake (or can even be viewed as such) then BB is not 400, nor is it 200, and i don't see any indications that it's heads up
Well OP is very likely a fish and a new player. So if he says something is a mistake that doesn't tell us much ♦ Plus that player was probably a bad agressive player seeing as he raises just 1BB preflop and then always cbets 30% of his stack.
But like i said in my last post.. There's not much point in speculating and helping this guy when he's to lazy to post on his own thread. He just doesn't give enough information to really help him.
mods close this pls? ♦ cause the discussion really started to degenerate.
contradiction is only usefull when approached in an civilized manner. fighting doesn't help any of us. The thred is already 2 pages long and the thread starter hasn't (fully) got his answer yet.
remember:
Originally posted by Hahaownedlolz
Well OP is very likely a fish and a new player. So if he says something is a mistake that doesn't tell us much ♦ Plus that player was probably a bad agressive player seeing as he raises just 1BB preflop and then always cbets 30% of his stack.But like i said in my last post.. There's not much point in speculating and helping this guy when he's to lazy to post on his own thread. He just doesn't give enough information to really help him.
And this was the exact reason i didn't post any advice. I just took 10 seconds to point out that the advice posted was bad (leaving table, raising all in pre or post flop, etc).
I don't insult people for fun
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wow whats with all the insults guys and demeaning behaviour, didnt expect all this when i posted this yesterday, i just logged on and the thread is already 2 pages long. Thanks to those of you who are trying to help and have given me some insight on how to play the situation better. In the end i believe that is why we are all here on this forum no? to get better?. So i dont understand why some of us have to resort to slandering and demeaning other players just because they made a comment you are not in aggreeance with. Im not gonna single anybody out here, but im just saying, a little more respect boys.
In my own defense I must apologise, I didnt read his post close enough to see it was a SNG/MTT.
I obviously thought he was on a cash game and he was frustrated. That said I stand by my advice if it was a cash game. The OP was obviously getting frustrated he was probably going to get tilted and should move till he is able to handle it.
In a SNG/MTT obviously you have no choice but to tighten up and then beat him over the head with his stupidity when you have a hand.
Originally posted by Kidsoldja
wow didnt expect so many of you to say "leave the table" but after thinking about it ..it makes sense cuz its the collateral damage at the end that hurts the most..
now I am really confused.
anyways. check this out, on how to take a stand against players like that, and what might be the consequences.
Original is so much better imo.
http://www.spike.com/video/war-why-cant-we-be/2788566
